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Old 03-07-2011   #1
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About a difference

Sorry if it seems petty to address this, but

http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums...ad.php?t=28830

There's a difference between bad and hate. You can like something bad and vice versa. So could this be re-opened?

I think there's some good ideas to be found in mediocre/subpar games that never get discussed.

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Yes, there's a difference. Hate is subjective, Bad is objective. This is something I've been trying to drill into people's heads for quite some time. But since when do YOU understand that, first of all? And do you really expect me, or anyone else on EF who's read your posts in the last 2 years, to suddenly believe that you know the difference and go into the thread with the knowledge that you meant objectively bad games? No, bitches are gonna see it, know your language, and assume "generally unfavorable games." You could have added a note explaining the difference, like I usually do when I'm trying to make a thread dealing with objectivity, but there are still more problems with the thread after that.

Secondly, even given that bad and hate are different things, you have the problem Droog demonstrated just above - the thread becomes a powder keg because any game that is listed is clearly considered "bad" by the person posting, and its fans will come rushing to its defense, and twice as hard because saying a game is objectively bad is a much more harsh statement than saying it subjectively (You're basically telling the reader what to think). That thread is unnecessary on multiple levels; the "hate" thread will do just fine.

On a side note, I'm not advocating closing any threads that are duplicates of previous threads from any point in EF history - but this is an extreme case.

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I call Kaldea. Because Panther form is almost as cheap is 3rd Dauragon's crazy kick thing, while being less final boss-y. Or if I can't use her I'll use that Robot thing. You know, the one Dominique goes apeshit and destroys a group of.

Don't get me wrong. I did enjoy the game. Hell, I own my own copy, it was actually my second PS2 game ever (First being BoF Dragon Quarter.) Cost me 10 bucks off of sis's ex's brother who didn't like it. Back then it was well worth the cost.

But once I unlocked Sion's fifth outfit and realized I had absolutely nothing left to do I asked myself "Do you want to keep playing?" No, I really didn't. I don't dislike it. I enjoyed it. But I realize it's hardly "good." It's not "terribad" but it's not good. It kept me playing due to all its alternate branches (Find the keycard in time? Get a fight scene instead of an escape scene, for example) but when all was said and done, it still took me less than 15 hours to fully beat everything (started skipping scenes I'd already seen though)

If I had friends who actually liked it to play with, I wouldn't have been so bored due to Vs Mode. Sadly, I only had one friend who was interested (he thought it was the best idea for a game ever, aah, to be young and foolish again) and after getting his ass kicked twice he never wanted to play against me again. When it all boils down to it, The Bouncer without friends is like Street Fighter 2 with only arcade mode. It's enjoyable but it gets old.
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I think it's a good game. I do love it. Every now and then I like to go back and replay it.

Now I wanna play it again...
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Pretty funny, really. I used to be like the only one I knew who said I enjoyed it. Now 2 people defend it in one day. The one time I say anything negative about it, at that. Ironic, no?
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I do see and understand the distinction, Saph, but I have to agree with Yvl on the point that asking us to discuss games based on ones we feel are considered "bad" is asking for trouble. The only way that wouldn't descend into massive arguments is if we all reached a consensus on whether a game is, in fact, "bad."

It's objective vs. subjective, and unfortunately people tend to be the latter about the former.
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Pretty funny, really. I used to be like the only one I knew who said I enjoyed it. Now 2 people defend it in one day. The one time I say anything negative about it, at that. Ironic, no?

I wasnt serious. I never played it. I was illustrating a point. Yvl just put it into serious words.
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It's a good game. But the thing is, it's like all games...Once you've done everything then you have no need to play it. Just because it's shorter than most games...
It's a beat'em up. Last time I checked...They weren't really long games.

I don't think alot of people realise that it's not an RPG...It doesn't take 50 to 100 hours to complete.
The game is short and sweet but fun. So you can't replay it 20 times in a row? What game can you do that with?

It's a "Take it as it is or go away" kind of game.
It was never even that expensive. Heck! They gave it away free with alot of PS2 consoles...That really should sum it all up.
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If you wanna have a The Bouncer circle jerk, howsabout you post a thread in the proper forum >.>
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