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Old 09-28-2008   #1
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Command & Conquer Timeline

So, we have the original Command & Conquer, 1995 RTS also referred to as Tiberian Dawn because of the correlations to the Tiberian universe hence what it will be called during the timeline.

Basic story of Tiberian Dawn;

The GDI (Global Defense Initiative) attempt to liberate Europe from the Brotherhood of Nods influence or, as a Nod initiate, pwn those GDi scum and steal their ion canon to pwn shit. Tiberian Dawn includes Covert operations and in the end produces an all out war between the two forces.

Tiberian Dawn (Covert Operations) is followed up by Tiberian Sun (Firestorm) in which the GDI & Nod continue waging war and, after the first is considered the 2nd coming of Kane as he Nod leaders were Hassan and Sliavik... or something like that. This is then followed with Tiberian Wars (Kane's Wrath) which also introduces the Scrin to the Tiberian universe where, the GDi & Nod forces had toned down their war as the Tiberian threatens to destroy the earths ecosystem.

Timeline thus far:
Tiberian Dawn
-Covert Operations
--C&C Renegade
Tiberian Sun
-Firestorm
Tiberium Wars
-Kane's Wrath

Now, this is where it gets interesting. Red Alert was originally created as a time paradox in which Albert Einstein attempted to correct time as if WW2 never happened, thus a strong USSR under Stalin since Einsteins attempt to fix the horrors of WW2 lead to him making Hitler never exist. Due to this, an alternate time line was created from the Tiberian timeline where, in actuality the timeline looks something like this currently;

Red Alert
Tiberian Dawn
-Covert Operations
--C&C Renegade
Tiberian Sun
-Firestorm
Tiberian Wars
-Kane's Wrath

Red Alert is the point of contact to combine the two timelines, as, with the GDI & Nod timeline, the Nod inherited the USSR domain of Europe as the dominant power and Tiberian promptly fell on the Earth (following the Allied canon ending) where Kane served as an advisor & infiltrator to Stalin (since he was already of the brotherhood) and inherited the land after Stalin passed on.

Red Alert 2 then was actually created by an undisclosed games storyline (Tiberian Incursion) in which attempts were made to alter the past again. However this game obviously never happened due to EA's buyout of Westwood Studios. Which would then make a final timeline of;

Red Alert [46-52]
Tiberian Dawn [90's]
-Covert Operations [90's]
--C&C Renegade [90's]
Tiberian Sun [90's]
-Firestorm [90's]
-- ex: Red Alert 2
-- ex: Yuri's Revenge
Tiberian Wars [2000's]
-Kane's Wrath [2000's]
--ex2: Generals
--ex2: Zero Hour

Where, the only exclusions are ex2 from the timeline and, Red Alert 2 is an extension that would fit in where Incursion was which was around the C&C3 mark.

Now this is all past tense, actually not fact since EA took the license from the now defunct Westwood studios where, if EA chose to they could rewrite the timeline to their hearts content. (and have through a document that supposedly states Kanes involvement in the USSR that I couldn't get a hold of since I don't own the game) but, that this timeline was actually the general consensus of Petroglyph members (former Westwood Studios developers).

To back this up look at the RA universe in conjunction with the Tiberian universe and you'll notice one thing that's similar; Tesla.

Nikola Tesla claimed to have contacted Aliens with his inventions, Tesla also being the Tesla towers of the Soviets, and only the Soviets, the Soviets then having had Kane in their midst and Nod basing technology off of Scrin & Tacitus data, the Scrin being aliens.... a conundrum begins to form.

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Wait...

So if the main series takes place in the 90s or so, and Kane showed up at the end of Red Alert...

Just how old is he?
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Just that the discussion that spawned this was probably misplaced. I mean, who really cares where RA2 "fits in the series"? Any attempt at plot analysis of any kind about a game that ends with the Allies taking a bunch of pictures of the Premier in his undies... is probably unsafe.
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So basically, after RA, the Allies became GDI, and the Soviets became Nod, right? And then Tiberium clusterfucks the Earth, which then makes the Scrin come and attack both NOD and GDI to harvest the Tiberium?
And all this happens because Einstien kills Hitler right?
Am I following this correctly?

Well, this is going to make RA3 quite confusing seeing how the Japanese become a superpower.

Honestly, the games are fun, but this is just confusing me all to hell.
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Wait...

So if the main series takes place in the 90s or so, and Kane showed up at the end of Red Alert...

Just how old is he?
Speculation, but at the end of one of the games you see a peculiar tablet in an FMV that kinda screams Cain and Able which kinda speaks for itself.

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So basically, after RA, the Allies became GDI, and the Soviets became Nod, right? And then Tiberium clusterfucks the Earth, which then makes the Scrin come and attack both NOD and GDI to harvest the Tiberium?
And all this happens because Einstien kills Hitler right?
Am I following this correctly?

Well, this is going to make RA3 quite confusing seeing how the Japanese become a superpower.

Honestly, the games are fun, but this is just confusing me all to hell.
Lol
Allies = GDI, USSR = Nod for sake of simplicity yeah. Honestly though their national divides and such are constantly changing without EA holding the fuckup card.

The Scrin, rumour has it that Kain through Tesla technology (him being in the USSR) contacted them, then used a Scrin ship in his military designs by reverse engineering it. But yeah, Scrin come to fuck shit up, Tiberium basically when implanted feeds off the very minerals of the soil and reproduces with acidic consequences for both the ecosystem and humanity.

And yes, that universe happens because Einstein removed Hitler so Nazi Germany never stood in the way of Soviet expansion and the Soviets became the dominant power of the entire Euraisa continent with the Brotherhood of Nod, who was in existence during the WW2 era and simply took over the Soviets land domination starting Tiberium Dawn had actually lost modern day Russia & parts of Europe but had most of Africa, China, Egypt and everyones favourite Mexico.

Japanese being a superpower will probably simply be EA clusterfucking the Westwood timeline I would imagine.

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Just that the discussion that spawned this was probably misplaced. I mean, who really cares where RA2 "fits in the series"? Any attempt at plot analysis of any kind about a game that ends with the Allies taking a bunch of pictures of the Premier in his undies... is probably unsafe.
Granted RA2 was a bit, shall we say childish, the lore is actually pretty in depth even if nothing specific has been released since EA hold all the written notes of any kind because of the acquisition and I think have a non disclosure clause locked on them since Petroglyph is basically Westwood minus a few members. Sure it's not as then in depth as other games because of this but pure speculation wise anything with the time spectrums that C&C has shown leaves a lot of possibilities, like Kane meeting with Abe Lincoln and Britain then remaining the world wide superpower instead of the USA.

Regardless, the Brotherhood of Nod alone have some decent backstory to them as does the whole Westwood basically setting the scene for immersive RTSing with the casting & direction of briefings.
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Just that the discussion that spawned this was probably misplaced. I mean, who really cares where RA2 "fits in the series"? Any attempt at plot analysis of any kind about a game that ends with the Allies taking a bunch of pictures of the Premier in his undies... is probably unsafe.
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Well, this is going to make RA3 quite confusing seeing how the Japanese become a superpower.

Honestly, the games are fun, but this is just confusing me all to hell.
Lol


Empire of the Rising Sun, sir.

And it's all Russia's fault. Them and their time travelling and making split, alternate timelines. Who do they think they are, Marty McFly?
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Empire of the Rising Sun, sir.

And it's all Russia's fault. Them and their time travelling and making split, alternate timelines. Who do they think they are, Marty McFly?
Actually the US with Einstein did the whole time travel thing first, the Soviets just kinda stole the tech. So nah, Einsteins fault, always bloody Einstein, but I suppose if Einstein didn't fuck up the timelines we wouldn't have gotten Athena Massey and Kari Wuhrer.
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Japanese being a superpower will probably simply be EA clusterfucking the Westwood timeline I would imagine.
That makes sense. EA does like to screw things up. Lol

But in CnC 3, The Scrin are lying dormant out in space and are awakened by the Tiberium bomb detonated by the NOD. So the whole thing of Kane contacting them and getting a ship from them doesnt make much sense.
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