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wesker
04-21-2004, 04:58 PM
Not really, but now that I have you're attention, What are your thoughts on gays? Is it right wrong? Are you? have you thought about it? Hmmm? Have you?!

Laggy
04-21-2004, 05:01 PM
i dont like to fight about it...its up to you or who ever the hell wants or dont wants i guess..IMO its not right...guys were made for girls..and girls for guys....

Edit: BTW, if you didnt guess already im not gay, and no i have never...and i have never had thoughts...>_<

Lancet Jades
04-21-2004, 05:04 PM
*thread on ZT* I wont tolerate any anti-gay flames, OR pro-gay flames.

My opinion of em? Well, does it really matter what i think of em? Regardless of what i think of em, do i have the right to impose any restrictions and such on em? No.

I dont mind gays, as long as they doint try to "convert" me. I doubt many, if any, would try to do that, but thats really the only thing i would object too. I think they should just be left alone to do their thing.

And as for religious opinion of gays, well, it isnt my place to judge people. If being gay really IS a sin, then God'll judge them when their time comes. It isnt my right to do that. Remember, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

The Wang Master
04-21-2004, 05:14 PM
Only for free anime.

As for other people, try and guess my sentiment.

Leknaat
04-21-2004, 05:21 PM
I don't have any problem what so ever with gays. I don't think it's wrong in the least bit. I have people in my family that are gay and I'm glad they are because it set me on the path to be a more open minded person.

Quel Thalas
04-21-2004, 05:23 PM
Well, i'll say this outright, im bi, but yeah, i have never seen a problem with gays, and i have never had a problem with those who dislike them, so im pretty much neutral on the matter...sometimes...

Saberstar
04-21-2004, 05:30 PM
I don't mind them. I don't see a reason to treat them any different from others. After all, they're human like you and I.

I can see how most Heterosexuals dislike Bisexuals or Homosexuals. They think it's a bit sick if um 2 of the same sex do each other. Anyway aside of that.
A straight person will most likely dislike if a gay person, same sex, tries to pester them. A bi on the other hand wouldn't really mind much. And A gay person would most likely not mind and might like it.

And as far as this goes. I see how some guys treat bi or gay guys unfairly compare to bi or lesbian chicks.
Rather then basing your view on their gender, and sexuality, it's just best to let that go aside. It's who they are that counts.

Laggy
04-21-2004, 05:40 PM
well..really, i find most gay people to be more fun..in a none sex way...they are funny. i have had family members that where/are gay...really its just like what lades said for me..if you try to make me gay ill have a prob with you..i wouldnt try to get a gay girl to like me..its just you have to know what lines not to cross...

and i do feels the same way about girls then i do about gays...i think that theres thinking is funny or somthing cause of how much i like girls..and me being a guy
its just harder for me to understand it is all...i dont hate anyone

have any of you seen the movie the birdcage that shiz is funny lol (its about gay people)<--so its on topic kinda lol....anywasy ...

Chaos Theory
04-21-2004, 06:50 PM
be as you wish

ChibiArisu
04-21-2004, 09:22 PM
Why should it matter what you are? I have like.....3 gay, 1 bi, and 2 les friends.... Exactly, it's who they are that counts. I It's THEIR opinion that counts. People shouldn't judge them! Wtf is the government trying to BAN gay marriage?! JEEZ, there are still things in this world that I do not understand...

Rick_dowg2099
04-21-2004, 09:43 PM
i dont want to get kicked off the site so i wont say how i feel about it!! but if the gov dose let gay people get marred than thay will have to let rapest go and not put people in jail if thay kill cus all three are rong. and the GOV even tho its wack is still trying to go be the same laws that god gave us before we forgot about him..one more thing im not tryin to make u mad or start shi* but ..lancet.. you just said dont judge yet ye be judged my friend that is from the bible and its also in the bible that being gay is rong...so pick one eather your for the bible from witch u quote or your not.......hot or cold there is no luke warm in gods house....and im spent..peace out

ChibiArisu
04-21-2004, 09:46 PM
Yes, but you see.... Not EVERYONE follows the bible! It's opinions!

Rick_dowg2099
04-21-2004, 09:52 PM
no diss but that last part wasent to u ..lol and if u dont fallow it than why quote it???when i made that thread about do u bleave in god if not y not..most people said that u cant pick witch parts u fallow and use so ..........i dunno like i said im not tryin to start nothin and lets not post off topic anymore that is kinda mean lol...peace out

ChibiArisu
04-21-2004, 10:03 PM
Yes, sorry for going off topic =(. It's just that people should stay outta other peoples business. People say that America is a free country. But if it really is a free country, why can't gay people marry? I really don't mind if Ima with a homosexual or a bisexual. It really doesn't matter to me.

Saberstar
04-21-2004, 10:14 PM
On a side note, it's not like 2 people of the same sex can get each other pregnant. Would you rather want some rapist doing girls or a gay guy?
What matter is that they both like each other. I'm sure there are may others who wish they were the opposite sex. Thinking they are in the wrong body, er gender or whatever. >_>

I just think everyone should be treaten equally. Like how...in the past, the blacks were enforced to be slaves. Due to the fact that there skin color is different.

Jeff
04-21-2004, 10:17 PM
Yes, sorry for going off topic =(. It's just that people should stay outta other peoples business. People say that America is a free country. But if it really is a free country, why can't gay people marry? I really don't mind if Ima with a homosexual or a bisexual. It really doesn't matter to me.

Gay people can't get married because THERE IS A SUCH THING AS ORGANIZED religion. Liberals do not control the country, yet. Just as how some "anti gay" people offend the liberals, the liberals and the gays offend us. Not letting them get married just saves the country a lot of embarrassment, and it helps to not degrade society.

i dont want to get kicked off the site so i wont say how i feel about it!! but if the gov dose let gay people get marred than thay will have to let rapest go and not put people in jail if thay kill cus all three are rong. and the GOV even tho its wack is still trying to go be the same laws that god gave us before we forgot about him..one more thing im not tryin to make u mad or start shi* but ..lancet.. you just said dont judge yet ye be judged my friend that is from the bible and its also in the bible that being gay is rong...so pick one eather your for the bible from witch u quote or your not.......hot or cold there is no luke warm in gods house....and im spent..peace out

If you do get kicked off of the site for that, it just shows that the site is liberal and doesn't welcome good conservative people like yourself. I'd leave this place if such a thing ever happened to you. In my opinion, let the gay people do their thing, but when it comes to changing the society I live in for their "benefits", that's when it becomes a problem.

I won't say anything else, seeing how the liberal bashing is soon to begin. :rolleyes

Chaos Theory
04-21-2004, 10:40 PM
lol you wont be banned its opinions here

Lancet Jades
04-21-2004, 10:58 PM
As long as you don't bash on gays, its ok. And if people bash on you for your views, then they'll be the ones warned.

As for my rebuttal, i can understand why you oppose it, but seriously, not rick ,nor doc, no anybody has the right to judge gays, and dictate to them. Man's law in the US dictates freedoms, and is supposedly secular in nature. Now, mind you, i'm not saying just let anything go, but you've gotta take into account the supposed "seperation of church and state." There's a reason for that, too. Think about it, history is nothing but proof AGAINST having a religious government: the spanish inquisition, the crusades, hell, half of england's, and europe's problems over the past 1000 years have been fighting between protestants and catholics, peppered with a bit of muslim involvement too!! There's plenty more, of course, but that should be citing enough to prove my point. Ands none, NONE of those wars served to HELP the religion of the winner, or loser, much help speread it amongst the people.
Religion + Government = Trouble.

And, from the POV of God, humans don't have the right to judge each other. Even if something is consdiered a sin, NO ONE has the right to judgement. Only in one instance does someone have the right to judge someone: if they were sinned against. If someone sins against you ,THEN you have the right to judgement, but unless thats the case, you don't. I doubt ANYONE here has been a perfect, sin-free saint their entire lives, not even me. So, don't judge someone unless you are ready to be judged yourself.

And, remember, without judgement, no one can be punished justly, so no one has the right to punish gays either, unless they pass judgement first.

Laggy
04-21-2004, 11:45 PM
well i want to add one thing to that lades..when i whent to court and got on probation..they held that court in a church...(cause the court room got fuked in the flood) so really..there is no "seperation of church and state." its all for the Gov. and they dont care aboiut church.
the thing i really think keeps gays from being married is the fact that aot of dumbasses would start going crazy and really taking out some gay folk.

Lancet Jades
04-22-2004, 12:13 AM
Well, the country, and world, are going down the drain, so i really couldnt care less anymore.

=/

Zelphiel
04-22-2004, 01:23 AM
I won't say anything else, seeing how the liberal bashing is soon to begin. :rolleyes


I seriously doubt that will happen. You're entitled to your oppinion...

even if it is conservative... lol :chuckle j/k

ChibiArisu
04-22-2004, 03:46 PM
I bet there've been riots outside court houses discussing the matters of gays (did that make sense? O.o). As alot of you have said, people have no right to judge other people. It's their own opinions. As long as one's opinions don't endanger society or do something harmful, like the terrorist attacks, we should no judge. End of story.

nightsavior
04-22-2004, 11:55 PM
everyone is entitled to their opinion whether they are conservative or liberal. me, i think it's who a person is on the inside that counts not whether or not they are gay,bi,or straight. personally i'm straight and think bi girls are hot.lol. as for gay thoughts...i was playing ff 9 and i saw kuja's face and legs and thought "damn,that's one hot chick!" then my friend mentioned kuja was a guy....man, that was the worst day of my life no lie! lol.

Chicken Little
04-23-2004, 12:49 AM
yes everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but when different opinions are expressed the ending result is normally violence, especially when it comes about gays and marriage. Generally the only difference between those of a different nature is who they are attracted to, and peoplpe are predjudiced towards that mainly. But i dont really see the reason for all the fuss except that it goes against the general perception of what a wedding is and what it entails, and since it was originally a christian event to begin with.

nightsavior
04-23-2004, 01:54 AM
personally i think gays should be allowed to marry. i mean if two ppl love each other they should be allowed to express it without fear of persecution. besides a big deal is being made over something that should be common sense. here in america you are entitled to freedom of speech and expression. i have two friends that are lesbians and they are wonderful individuals and very much in love. as for a comment made about how if gays are allowed to marry it's as bad as rapists being allowed to run free that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. forcing someone into sex against their will is atrocious. to the victim, the psychological and spiritual damage is immense. raping is forcing someone to have sex with you depriving them of free will..being gay is just what certain ppl are..they cannot help it. what is more of a sin..two ppl who love each other of the same gender marrying each other of free will or a rapist in some back alley robbing a woman of her happiness,innocence,and integrity? in the bible i think christains misinterpret being gay as a sin but i do not believe in any passage it says being gay is wrong. if there is such a passage it was proably added by some wacko witch hunting paranoid dillusional inquisitor during the 1400's or 1600's when being different meant you were a spawn of satan.

ChibiArisu
04-23-2004, 03:20 PM
Sometimes you just can't control how you feel. You may find out that you're gay or bi. It's bound to come out sometime in your life. If you love someone, and they return those feelings, no one should intrude. Hey, Ima watching Romeo and Juliet in English, can that movie relate to this topic? O.o

Rick_dowg2099
04-23-2004, 06:31 PM
this is my last post on this topic ..its pointless and a wast of my time to argue ..but the people that rap and kill most of the time have something rong with there mind..would u say that thay where born like that? i would think so..another quistion do u go outside and see two male dogs fukin????????ummm no cus thats not the way it gose thats not the way we are made!!!! if we where than to put your wang in a ass would make babys lol....whats bull is people saying that you are born to be gay WTF!! WTF!! thats bull!! ...your born to like the opiset sex duh people lol..ok ill stop fag bashing now...lol.... its not love its lust sick wack lust the same thing that makes people rape..think about it ...and if the U.S.A. ever makes it to where u can be gay and get marred than me and a bunch of friends are goin on a big hunt!!!and yeah its a sin to hate dont preach at me thats something i need to work on but i have a reason not to like gay ppl....and im spent

Tiffany
04-23-2004, 10:51 PM
i agree that relationships should be boy/girl...but if u do like someone that's the same sex as u, and u really fall in love with that person, it's not for other ppl to say whether u should or not...if this is a free country and we have all these rights...then gays should be allowed to marry too...the gov. shouldn't try to stop them...

Chicken Little
04-23-2004, 10:59 PM
how can you honestly say its lust? you cant you can only hypothesise that it is because there is no way that you can know unless you are that person, so that is not a reason let alone anything valid, its an excuse that most people tell themselves to justify their opinions.

nightsavior
04-23-2004, 11:33 PM
hey i'm straight too man..i don't know why gay ppl are attracted to the same sex. still,it's not a crime. look, if we start gay bashing and persecution that will just be a dominoe effect that will grow until all those who are different are hunted and hated. to be fair the best thing to do is judge ppl by who they are not by their religion,race, and sexual preference. the last thing i wanna see are a buncha torch holding pitchfork wielding townsfolk walking down my street thinking they can tell ppl how to live because "god" is on their side.

Zelphiel
04-23-2004, 11:35 PM
but the people that rap and kill most of the time have something rong with there mind..would u say that thay where born like that? i would think so..another quistion do u go outside and see two male dogs fukin????????ummm no cus thats not the way it gose thats not the way we are made!!!! if we where than to put your wang in a ass would make babys lol....whats bull is people saying that you are born to be gay WTF!! WTF!! thats bull!! ...your born to like the opiset sex duh people lol..ok ill stop fag bashing now...lol....


like I said before... everyone is entitled to, and more than welcome to post their oppinion on any topic. But, if I see another post like this one, consider yourself banned.

Chicken Little
04-24-2004, 04:19 AM
gotta remember this threads under zt....hoo boy

but like he said its the last post on the topic so lets just hold him to it.