Do you beleive in God? If not, why?

[Rick_dowg2099]

please dont post off topic!!....ok i bleave in god. not beacuse my mom and dad got me into it but cus i know hes real iv seen him work in peoples lives and in mine... and im just askin if u beleave in god if not y? some ppl dont cus thay think that god did something in there lives like kill a fam member ..yeah i think that would be the easyest way to pawn off your cares ..on something u cant see..but god did say that he allows us to go through some stuff to get us ready for his plan for our lives and that he wont put us in anything that we cant make it through....and another thing this is for anybody that would say the bible has flaws in it...ppl have looked and looked for a prob in the bible and cant prove that anything is rong with it..its the only book worth readin lol ..u can post with a quistion and ill try to help but i have no time for somebody tryin to mock me....remember one thing before u post its that i have nothing to prove to any man so its pointless to test me..peace out :bandito

[Chaos Theory]

I dont believe


I look around and see all these bad things happen and wonder if there is a god and he loves us all then we must we suffer so much

[Tiffany]

i understand wat cammy's sayin..that's how my family is...but i do believe. after all, He gave me the man of my dreams :love

[Rick_dowg2099]

we suffer cus half the world has forgotten about god ...and lets say i gave u your own state and told u that everything on it is for u to eat and use..and u turn around and dont talk to me, call me names and go hang out with my the devil how would u feel? and u cant be of the world and no care or live for him and think hes goin to do anything for u that dosent make sence!! he gave us free will so we can go to heaven or live as the world and go to hell most ppl pick hell...some ppl dont pick god cus thay got to see it to bleave it well iv seen it and if u give it a try and learn about it u will to

[Chaos Theory]

That wasnt god baby :D


lol


I did like when I was 5 but then I suppose I grew up and thought for myself

[Zelphiel]

I think that god(s) existance is a possibility but I don't think they played much of a role past instigating creation... if that.

[Megatokyo]

First thing, there has bin proven flaws about the bible, it was all over the news and its being picked apart each and every day

I dont belive in him, I dont belive that there is something that beyond this world, and I cant seem to understand exactly why that is hard for people to belive that there is nothing after this, im guessing its cus people are scared of death and have to create this so called god to get rid of there fears

And you say "but god did say that he allows us to go through some stuff to get us ready for his plan for our lives and that he wont put us in anything that we cant make it through"

this is untrue, if it were true then people wouldnt give up on life and comit suicide and what not, people wouldnt get into drugs and mess up there lives

it is facts like these that make me doubt god + the ideas of following a realy old book are rediculas

[Rick_dowg2099]

yo mega go read that again i also told of freewill thats y ppl kill there self and do drugs..mannn i smoke weed lol ...and iv been through more than most 19 year olds bro even the 17s and im not afrade of death cus i know where im goin.. and if hes not real than how is it that all over the world ppl are prayed over that cant see cant walk cant hear that can after the prayer ....the reason u see so much **** in usa is cus ppl have gave up on god and got coght up in all the new things that ppl make like cars jobs and new drugs half of the u.s. is like a ant hill lol wake up go to work and die thay put the things of the world before god thats y u see more things happen in other countries ..cus thay dont have all the dumb stuff we have thay only have there faith..and im spent peace out

[Wallie Wildo]

I do not beleave in a god if there was one would there be murders and ra*es every day also there would not be starving countrys and there would not be hate in the world like Cyrus I was raised to beleave in a god and my whole family is pretty religious I stopped beleaving when i turned 7 and some of the stuff in the bible is impossible like a boat big enough to fit two of every animal also i do not force anything like athisim on people i dont even bring it up to people who beleve for its your choice

[Leknaat]

I dont believe in God like the majority of people do. I believe there is a higher exsitence I guess I should say.

[Wallie Wildo]

im glad that some people have the same oppinion as me yeah dont make fun of me but i think that we are just experiments of aliens and that the males cannot reproduce for some reason and they use us to impregnate the females because some abductees report being forced to reproduce with a female alien and a few women have said that they had a fetus implanted in them and then later taken out yes i do know that i sound insane but im not *maniachal laughter*

[The Wang Master]

Yes I do~~

[Chicken Little]

damn rick can you please type properly, i had a hard time making sense of what you typed half the time 'yo dawg in ff wst sde y ppl no ppl' (as an overemphasised example btw)

But like most i dont simply because i choose not to. Lets take it like this shall we, God is used as an excuse. Medievil europe and the old autocrats believed god guided them and showed signs of trust in them or harted towards them by crops and weather and etc etc. An excuse to be in power.

Ancient mythology before the monotheism showed mahy gods for all the basic elements and all for what man experienced and knew eg scandinavian Thor - thunder, Loki - mischief, Odin chief etc etc, these led the way for monotheism and one god who governs everything. An excuse for events.

Enter the crusades, in the name of god, enter the holy wars in palestine and isreal in the name of god, enter missionaries in the name of god. So basically what this means is since there is a book which has been revised and which has been proven to be flawed in sections, people still preach that ' the almight exists'

Forgive me if i seema bit iono scepticle of that.

[Zelphiel]

yo mega go read that again i also told of freewill thats y ppl kill there self and do drugs..mannn i smoke weed lol ...and iv been through more than most 19 year olds bro even the 17s and im not afrade of death cus i know where im goin.. and if hes not real than how is it that all over the world ppl are prayed over that cant see cant walk cant hear that can after the prayer ....the reason u see so much **** in usa is cus ppl have gave up on god and got coght up in all the new things that ppl make like cars jobs and new drugs half of the u.s. is like a ant hill lol wake up go to work and die thay put the things of the world before god thats y u see more things happen in other countries ..cus thay dont have all the dumb stuff we have thay only have there faith..and im spent peace out

let me guess... you're a baptist right?

and there's no way of knowing if you're going to heaven or not. even if you devote your entire life to worshiping the deity in question.

[Silly Girl]

I don't know how the other religions work, but I don't believe in the Christian god. It's all a bunch of lies and deceit, I tells ya. The bible is false, but people follow it anyway >_< If god loves all, then why does he pinpoint certain groups and punish them for being alive? ie. Homosexuals is the best example. There's no excuse. If there is a god, it's some little boy with a magnifying glass, like in Bruce Almighty. Yeah, we have free will and cause wars ourselves. Why are these wars caused? About 99.9999999999% are because of religious issues. Religion in itself is nothing but trouble. If there was an all powerful god who could see everthing past, present and future, he never would have created a speices who would eventually kill eachother through... nuclear warfare or whatnot... eh, that's all I feel like saying, but I have more up my sleeve, BELIEVE ME!
And always believe that Bok? exists (ask me to explain that one, lol)

[Saberstar]

Religion leads to corruption. >_>

[Laggy]

lol hey lath thats great man, we did come from a baptist background lolol..we arent now but thats how we got started....

[Silly Girl]

OH! One More Thing! See, eveyrone goes on about how our world is full of such beauty and perfection that only a supreme being could create... but! If we were born with 1 eye, 4 ears, no hair, 2 feet tall, huge ass heads, and stub feet... wouldn't that seem perfect to someone who grew up in a world surrounded by others like them? It's not perfect, it's what we're used to. When we see someone with an amputated limb, we don't see perfect. But in fact, they're not so different at all XD

[The Wang Master]

Just because people use the idea and manipulate it and make it serve their purpose does not make the original idea bad. The invention of fire for example, could be used to keep you warm or be used to burn your enemies to death.

[Aoi Asahina]

I believe. I dont think I could live on not having faith in anything...

[Zelphiel]

lol hey lath thats great man, we did come from a baptist background lolol..we arent now but thats how we got started....


It sounded like it... Originally I was a theology major. :rolleyes

[Chicken Little]

OH! One More Thing! See, eveyrone goes on about how our world is full of such beauty and perfection that only a supreme being could create... but! If we were born with 1 eye, 4 ears, no hair, 2 feet tall, huge ass heads, and stub feet... wouldn't that seem perfect to someone who grew up in a world surrounded by others like them? It's not perfect, it's what we're used to. When we see someone with an amputated limb, we don't see perfect. But in fact, they're not so different at all XD

why must you always poke fun at the way i look..its not my fault im a midget cyclops with good hearing and a battering ram for a head.

*teh ninja runs off crying*

[Rick_dowg2099]

sorry about the way i type..when im here im always talkin to 4or5 other PPL lol yes ppl if u have been online for more than a week than u know how to say things without typing forever but anyway sorry i made this thread PPL i thought i would get some good nonpointles convo out of it...... .... ..well iv seen what i need to see to believe in god and i read the book u need to before u think u know everything but so is the way of lil PPL these days...and im spent peace out

[Chicken Little]

lil ppl? lil? we're not questioning your faith or anything its nice that you think that and hold true to it, that however dont make anyone else a lil person in comparison.

and try keeping up with 9 ims 2 chats and then posting on a forum at the same time, i did that a couple days back and manged to screwed up something shocking.

but since..no wait one more question wtf the book you need to?? I got all respect for people and their beliefs but what the hell? its like your saying theres a prescribed text for your religion that you have to read before you can fully understand it.

bah i give up i aint gettin into this shizznit.

[Silly Girl]

Jeez man... you can have a serious, yet lighthearted convo like this. Lookit this way...
People all over go about their days without once questioning "the lord", they become drones... they go to church and resite brainwashing phrases over and over ("I believe in god, the father almighty, creator of heaven and earth..."). That is PURE bull. Something like that shouldn't happen to people. I say, if you can question your beliefs and the beliefs of the people and still come back to "the lord" in the end... don't you think that'd be more appreciated than a mindless drone? I would think so, but you judge...

[nightsavior]

i believe in higher powers because i have seen,heard,and felt some pretty amazing things. however it's my general belief if you're a good person you ascend to a higher point of existance upon death..by good person that does not have to mean being christain. personally i do not believe in a god filled with so many contradictions...we love him..yet we must fear him...he cares for us yet he smites us with his wrath..he allows everyone who believes in him to get into heaven yet he casts everyone else into hell even if they are good ppl that just have different beliefs..come on ppl if god was like that he would be just as petty and moody as a normal human being..as for hell...it's a state of mind and spirit ppl create for themselves...hell only exists if you let it exist ..pretty much i believe the great divine force has many paths to get to it but they all lead to the same destination..

[Quel Thalas]

I believe that there is some sort of higher deity, but no actually, omniscient god...

[Silly Girl]

Eh... when I die I don't want to go to some "higher plane of existence" or anything. I want to be reborn.

[nightsavior]

well i do believe many of us are reborn...since the energy constantly flows through a cycle of death and rebirth it is possible to live again in another lifetime. i have strange vivid dreams of living in the past..whether that means i have lived other lives remains to be seen though. pretty much i think what you desire determines where you go..if you believed you had more to accomplish before you died you'll be reborn..if you just wish to become apart of a higher plane you will..of course this is all speculation and what's true to me may not be true to someone else..life has infinite possibilities as does death.

[Chicken Little]

how about if when i die i want to kick some ass of the higher diety? does that mean i will? SO i can go up to the head honcho and boot him in the knee cap?

[idgaf rpgfan]

No, there's way too many differences in the various religions and no way can just one of them be correct. Also there are too many other things that religions can't explain, like dinosaurs. Personally I feel that this whole religion thing was created to help mankind deal with our greatest fear, death. By believing in the afterlife, death is no longer the end of life but just another step on a very long journey.

[Silly Girl]

There's petitions going around to remove the teaching of evolution in schools because it contradicts religion. XD They can go ahead for Christian schools! Plus, I mena, COME ON! There's proof of evolution, it's happening all the time.
Religion started off, most likely, as a comfort for our afterlives, as a way to keep people from disobeying the rules and as a way to avoid explaining things (Why is the sky blue? Cuz god made it that way!). But from there it totally became mutilated and now look what's happened.

[Lancet Jades]

There's petitions going around to remove the teaching of evolution in schools because it contradicts religion. XD They can go ahead for Christian schools! Plus, I mena, COME ON! There's proof of evolution, it's happening all the time.
Religion started off, most likely, as a comfort for our afterlives, as a way to keep people from disobeying the rules and as a way to avoid explaining things (Why is the sky blue? Cuz god made it that way!). But from there it totally became mutilated and now look what's happened.
Well, as you konw, i DO beleive in God, but i cant stand some of the things that so-called christians do. I mean, why cant both creation AND evolution have happened? In the beginning, God created all the initial animals, and from there, they evolved.

And, a for why God doesnt make it so there's no famine, war, etc, well, initially he DID try to stop the evils of humanity, but he probly just got tired of having to do it ever and over, so he just said "Ah, the hell with em." I mean, honestly, if i were in his shoes, i'd probly say the same thing.

[ChibiArisu]

Okay, I must admit, I was never brought up in the ways of Religion. Okay? So don't get mad at me. There's proof in science how things are created, right? If god is the higher god, did he WANT us to find scientific reasons? Did he WANT some people to think he was real, and the scientists were wrong? Or did he WANT us to think for ourselves, without his guidence and help, so that we rule the world ourselves? People I know always say, "With god taking care of us, everything will turn out right. The world is a truely beautiful place with peace." I REALLY don't think that there'll ever REALLY be peace. People have their own opinions, and that's that. This world isn't truely beautiful, in the eyes of someone that sees for themselves. Why must we entrust our lives in god, if this is the way that we are treated... Bibles... what can they really prove? They are stories, are they truely written for god's will? Will he truely save us from utter destruction? It doesn't seem like it yet, but religious people just say that it isn't that time yet. Well, at the rate this is going, how will God help in the end? This world is already massively corrupted. He'd have to kill us all and create a new world, because this mess could never turn to peace. Why should we run our lifes with trust in God, if he will one day surely destroy us all. And if he is real, he must really trust us, but with the trust he gives us, we will surely, and utterly, destory this "beautiful" world that we now live in.

[Lancet Jades]

Okay, I must admit, I was never brought up in the ways of Religion. Okay? So don't get mad at me. There's proof in science how things are created, right? If god is the higher god, did he WANT us to find scientific reasons? Did he WANT some people to think he was real, and the scientists were wrong? Or did he WANT us to think for ourselves, without his guidence and help, so that we rule the world ourselves? People I know always say, "With god taking care of us, everything will turn out right. The world is a truely beautiful place with peace." I REALLY don't think that there'll ever REALLY be peace. People have their own opinions, and that's that. This world isn't truely beautiful, in the eyes of someone that sees for themselves. Why must we entrust our lives in god, if this is the way that we are treated... Bibles... what can they really prove? They are stories, are they truely written for god's will? Will he truely save us from utter destruction? It doesn't seem like it yet, but religious people just say that it isn't that time yet. Well, at the rate this is going, how will God help in the end? This world is already massively corrupted. He'd have to kill us all and create a new world, because this mess could never turn to peace. Why should we run our lifes with trust in God, if he will one day surely destroy us all. And if he is real, he must really trust us, but with the trust he gives us, we will surely, and utterly, destory this "beautiful" world that we now live in.
Well, like i said, maybe God just got sick of always having to come in and fix the crap we create for ourselves...

[Aoi Asahina]

I believe in such a higher power. Maybe it is the reason that I cannot simply go on not having faith in something as such. Or maybe it is that the evil in me is wearing off...

[Silly Girl]

If god were omnipotent and omnipowerful, I doubt it'd get fed up with us. A god, if existing, wouldn't think the same way we do. It would think in a way that none of us can ever comprehend.

[ChibiArisu]

Yeah, and sorry if I sounded negative. He might even understand our way of thinking. I mean, he's a higher power right? And he created us. We have our free thinking (I guess), and we have our things that he wouldn't understand. He helps some people, but he does things that other people don't want, in other eyes.

[Lancet Jades]

Yeah, he gave us free will, and coming in and correcting us every step of the way would be contradicting it.

[nightsavior]

regardless what i believe i don't practice pushing my opinion on others and can't stand it when ppl tell me if i don't believe what they do i'm going to burn in a lake of fire and have hot coals shoved up my ass. to many patriarchal beliefs use fear as a way of converting ppl....also they like scapegoating other beliefs calling the ppl who practice other faiths evil regardless of whether or not they are compassionate,loving individuals. you can't judge someone by their religion. there are bad ones and good ones under every banner..

[ChibiArisu]

And if the person that they're saying that stuff to is a better person, then they are the ones making a mistake. And someone once said to me, that if you didn't believe in god, you'd burn in hell. ... hmm ... I think that was meh old friend Whittney. She was annoying, I must admit. She was really religious (not going against religious folk), and she went on and on about how I'll burn in hell for sins that I did when I was like.... 4! She would go on and on about lieing to people. It's like....wtf? I don't need you to tell me this stuff, I can think for myself.

[nightsavior]

i know how you feel trance. once temporarily i lived at a boarding house run by a southern baptist family...they were the biggest bunch of conniving,gossiping, greedy ppl i knew. what was funny is my dad thought they were great ppl just because they were christain..of course he didn't have to live with them...i'm not saying all christains are bad but overall i've had more negatve experiences with christanity then positive ones.

[Laggy]

baptist are the biggest bunch of conniving,gossiping, greedy ppl out there...i know im the son of a baptist preacher...lol..my dad isnt bad mind you..just everyone in any of the churches iss preached in...

the church i go to now is just on the bible. theres no rules or anything they put in to it...the members tdont have any control in the church..see thats whats wrong with church man...its not about God its about the people..and money...its not easy to find a good one..and i understand where most of you come from...cause if i hadnt found this one i wouldnt be in church lol....so i see if you go to church and its bad why you wouldnt like church at all..or might not ever go to another..but some churches are good..just not many lol

[Lancet Jades]

regardless what i believe i don't practice pushing my opinion on others and can't stand it when ppl tell me if i don't believe what they do i'm going to burn in a lake of fire and have hot coals shoved up my ass. to many patriarchal beliefs use fear as a way of converting ppl....also they like scapegoating other beliefs calling the ppl who practice other faiths evil regardless of whether or not they are compassionate,loving individuals. you can't judge someone by their religion. there are bad ones and good ones under every banner..I don't push my beliefs on other people, although i WILL make my argument for my beliefs.

And laggy, i agree. I don't go to church, or anything like that. Partly cuz of my laziness and such, but also because i can qorship God just fine on my own. I'm not saying my local church is bad, though, just i prefer individual worshipping, thats all

[ChibiArisu]

I have grown up with some religious people, and some still think Ima going to hell. It's just...so wrong! "MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS! I don't need you to help me! I chose this path, and that's that." THAT is what I want to say. They criticize me, they make me wear crosses sometimes, too. I just don't feel right wearing those, if Ima not really going to believe in it's powers. I mean, there must be SOME power in believing, but I guess I don't have the courage to believe in anything yet. I really don't know, but I do know that Ima not going to give in to their demands.

[Lancet Jades]

I cant stand people who say "Oh, you're going to hell."

I could probly say the same exact thing to most of them, and it'd be true.

[ChibiArisu]

LOL, this is getting old by saying this, but it REALLY gets sooo IRRITATING! It's like, "GO AWAY! LEMME ALONE! I DONT NEED YOUR SYMPATHY! Expecially when you criticize me. I don't need this." If they care so much, shouldn't they stop when you seriously ask them too? I mean sure, sometimes it does help, but in this situation, I seriously don't need it.

[Lancet Jades]

Meh, i just counter it with "Well, so are you."

[ChibiArisu]

Heh heh heh, good one. If they judge people, and say things in their own opinions, they are the ones who have wronged. I mean, maybe they're true... but they have no right to judge, if you haven't done anything to them. They say they are religious. My own grandmother says things behind my back, and other people I know. It's her opinions, but she is the one who is wrong.

[nightsavior]

it's hard trance, but you gotta find your own path. as for ppl forcing you to ware crosses i wouldn't allow them have power over you like that. people should not be forced into religion. some christains wonder why their children grow up becoming pagans or satanists...it's because the harder they push the more their children push back. as a rule noone likes being forced into anything. the more you try to make someone into something they are not the more they will struggle to be individuals and stand out. the parents that disown their children for becoming something different have only their own fanaticism to blame. god does not push ppl away. unfortunately many of his followers push ppl away from him. though i'm pagan i do believe in god or at least "he" is one of the forms the greater divine life essence can appear as.

[Leknaat]

I guess I'm one of the lucky few. My grandmother is Christian and has been for over 50 years. She has never forced her beliefs on me or my brother. She knows I'm not christian but says it's my choice. I respect her for her beliefs and I even read her bible to her when she can't see it.

[nightsavior]

that's sweet leknaat your grandmother is an example of what true christains should be like. i always wondered why some christains are so backwards...i mean they have jesus christ as a rolemodel how can they go wrong?! jesus was all about love and forgiveness not fire and brimstone.

[Chicken Little]

they go wrong as soon as they hear the word profit. And i stopped going to church in about year 6 when i ran up the side of the church...teach them to make the wall slanted it did.

[Zelphiel]

yeah... the whole "god needs your money" bit is one of the worst parts of it.

[ChibiArisu]

Yeah, what would god get out of it? I mean, I do believe in a greater force. And you're right, nightsavior. I have been forced into things, and I don't like it. It's a reaction that I try to get out of it, and I stand out to some people. I really do believe in a greater force, truely. I believe it is an individual's choice to choose their beliefs. ... I was gonna say somethin, but I forgot o.o

[nightsavior]

well supposedly god created the whole world in 6 days....and he did it all without money of any kind..lol. as for your situation trance keep seeking and ye shall find...find a path you are comfortable with and walk it with one constant step of desire..

[Kal]

I believe in God and that Jesus is the son of god..

[Lycanthroat]

I don't believe in God. I couldn't care less if it believed in me as it never seems to help me and/or anyone else in the world. If it does exist, I don't think it's ever done a good job =/

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

and im just askin if u beleave in god if not y?My initial problem is with this question, as it's asking why somebody believes a nonexistance. But... that's not really relevant.
some ppl dont cus thay think that god did something in there lives like kill a fam member ..yeah i think that would be the easyest way to pawn off your cares ..on something u cant see..This, however, is... interesting. If somebody doesn't believe in God, then they can't believe that God killed their family member.
and another thing this is for anybody that would say the bible has flaws in it...ppl have looked and looked for a prob in the bible and cant prove that anything is rong with itFunny, that (http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/).

We really don't need to go past Genesis; the two Creationist accounts in the first two chapters directly contradict each other. Even as myths, they don't make sense.
remember one thing before u post its that i have nothing to prove to any man so its pointless to test me.Wouldn't dream of it. :D
I couldn't care less if it believed in me as it never seems to help me and/or anyone else in the world.Which, of course, is why you apparently had the time of your life not less than two weeks ago. *shrug* Anger at a deity because He doesn't make all of your problems go away seems illogical, at best; if He did so, you wouldn't be living life.

[Kal]

I don't know why peopel would blame bad things on god..if something bad happens they'll stop believing in god..and say well he let this happen to so and so..so they stop believing...i just found it odd..out of all bad stuff that has happened to me i still believe in god...and i don't blame him for any of it..

[Lycanthroat]

Which, of course, is why you apparently had the time of your life not less than two weeks ago. *shrug*

Eh? Do you mean SH? I don't believe God had anything to do with that - I bought it, the game developers made it. In my mind, no god there.

Anger at a deity because He doesn't make all of your problems go away seems illogical, at best; if He did so, you wouldn't be living life.

I meant things that you cannot control. Personal problems, are, of course your problems. I'm not angry at God because I missed the bus last week or because they didn't have the game I wanted to rent. I am angry at God for what he lets go on in the world - children born into poverty who have to work the street to survive, the sort of thing where the people involved can't do anything to get away from the deficit problem. I don't see how this God, if it exists or not, can let this sort of thing go on. I do have my own reasons for not believing/being cynical of God because of what I stated above - problems I can't get away from. There are things I think are unfair in my/others lives, that they cannot change - only a ''miracle'' can help them. But the thing is, this miracle never comes. I suppose you could say I have lost my faith.

But I don't want to turn this into a debate - my beliefs and reasons are quite personal (above is a very vague tit-tat account of what they are) so I will leave it there.

[Kal]

Eh? Do you mean SH? I don't believe God had anything to do with that - I bought it, the game developers made it. In my mind, no god there.



I meant things that you cannot control. Personal problems, are, of course your problems. I'm not angry at God because I missed the bus last week or because they didn't have the game I wanted to rent. I am angry at God for what he lets go on in the world - children born into poverty who have to work the street to survive, the sort of thing where the people involved can't do anything to get away from the deficit problem. I don't see how this God, if it exists or not, can let this sort of thing go on. I do have my own reasons for not believing/being cynical of God because of what I stated above - problems I can't get away from. There are things I think are unfair in my/others lives, that they cannot change - only a ''miracle'' can help them. But the thing is, this miracle never comes. I suppose you could say I have lost my faith.

But I don't want to turn this into a debate - my beliefs and reasons are quite personal (above is a very vague tit-tat account of what they are) so I will leave it there.

People are foreordained to be born in certain ways..it was meant to happen for their lives one way or the other...

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Eh? Do you mean SH? I don't believe God had anything to do with that - I bought it, the game developers made it. In my mind, no god there.Aye, just as He has little to do with the good times, He has little to do with the bad. This world is a rather nice balance between good and evil, joy and depression, and any other opposites you feel like throwing out there.
I meant things that you cannot control. Personal problems, are, of course your problems. I'm not angry at God because I missed the bus last week or because they didn't have the game I wanted to rent. I am angry at God for what he lets go on in the world - children born into poverty who have to work the street to survive, the sort of thing where the people involved can't do anything to get away from the deficit problem. I don't see how this God, if it exists or not, can let this sort of thing go on.It is not God's job to make the world a utopia; that's just an overoptimistic Christian myth. People are going to get hurt from this world, but to say these people have nothing seems premature. Those with a lack of material possessions generally seem to appreciate more what they do have. It's all about perspective, and the perspective taken is up to the person. It is, inevitably, a personal problem, not a divine one.
I do have my own reasons for not believing/being cynical of God because of what I stated above - problems I can't get away from. There are things I think are unfair in my/others lives, that they cannot change - only a ''miracle'' can help them. But the thing is, this miracle never comes. I suppose you could say I have lost my faith.Life is not fair. Life has never been fair, life will never be fair. God does not force these problems on you, so it doesn't seem right to expect Him to relieve you of them just because it's "not fair."

Me, I've got plenty of problems. Serious problems, unfair problems, problems I can't do a damn thing about. Did you know, for example, that I will probably go through my entire life without ever having a girlfriend (among many, many other things)? Fun little mental disability life decided to throw at me, that one. But I deal. I find ways to compensate, I deal with pain, and life goes on.

I've never thought God is supposed to fix any sort of problem with this world; if He did, it would just make this world less... human. God is just a rest stop, who helps you deal with the problem yourself; if not by fixing the problem, than by finding your peace with it.
But I don't want to turn this into a debate - my beliefs and reasons are quite personal (above is a very vague tit-tat account of what they are) so I will leave it there.*shrug* Your call.

[Kal]

what ^ said i couldn't agree more..if this world was ALL good then how would we make choices between good and bad?

[Shadow Sasuke]

yes, I do believe.