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Lancet Jades
03-29-2004, 12:35 AM
RYAN BAKKEN COLUMN: Promgate generates feedback both pro and con

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I knew Promgate would be a talker. But the magnitude of the interest stunned me.



Promgate, of course, is about a Hillsboro High School 18-year-old senior who has been prohibited from attending prom because she was caught smoking.

Although she is of legal age to smoke and didn't break any other laws, such as smoking on school grounds, her admitted tobacco use broke school policy. The policy states that any student who uses tobacco, alcohol or drugs faces suspension from school activities, including dances.

When Principal Kevin Coles suspended Leona Fitzpatrick, he was merely following school policy. The question on the minds of thoughtful readers was this: Is this good policy?

The reader response through e-mail was enormous. I received more e-mails on this subject Friday than I did on sexual aids. In other words, a lot.

The Herald's web poll had 72 percent siding with the 18-year-old and 28 percent with the Hillsboro school administration. The response I received was roughly of the same proportion.

But unlike mindless chat room chatter that can be hateful and worse, the response I received was pointed and thoughtful. Here's a sampling:

Point, from M.H.: "She has the right, no matter how bad it may be for her body, to smoke. Perhaps now, with the North Dakota lottery in effect, they should ban all students who decide to try their luck there. You know that gambling can cause great problems in the future with addiction and money loss. These are supposed to be some of the best years of her life, so let her experience them."

Counterpoint, from P.A.: "Being 18 years old, the girl in question made the free-will choice to enroll as a student. By making this choice, she then is acknowledging that she is to be governed by the same school policies that apply to all students of her school, regardless of age."

Point, from J.C.: "All this type of punishment does is create extreme resentment towards authority which has a very lasting effect on future development. One can only imagine the disdain that has been created."

Counterpoint, from K.M.: "Her father is trying to convince everyone that it's her right under the law. There's the problem -- if her parents can't control her, how can the school? If Ms. Fitzpatrick thinks she's spent a lot of money on preparing for prom, it's probably nothing compared to the cost of cigarettes and future health care. My sympathies to all of them."

Point, from J.P.: "I think it's great that Hillsboro is doing so much to try and prevent young teens from smoking. (However), does the staff have the same rules put upon them? If they are caught smoking off school grounds or drinking alcohol, are they disciplined because it is harmful for them?' Please take a long, hard look at the school handbook and revise where necessary."

Counterpoint, from M.J.: "Proms will probably have some 21-year-olds attend as dates. You can drink at 21. Does this thinking mean that it's OK for these 21-year-olds to drink before they come to the prom?"

Sharply barbed point, from B.K.: "As academic achievement plummets, these busybody educators go to great lengths to change the subject. Nothing, obviously, is more important than nagging one adult student about non-threatening, off-campus behavior."

And what do I think?

I think teachers and school administrators are under-appreciated, underpaid, dedicated and well-meaning. I think teenagers need rules and discipline because many don't get enough of either at home. I think NDHSAA rules are needed. I think drinking, smoking and drugs are bad for students -- and adults. I think a lot of schools have similar rules; only Hillsboro is taking all the heat on this issue because the Fitzpatrick family went public.

And I think that Hillsboro school policy should be changed so that 18-year-olds aren't punished for something that the law says is legal. Oh yeah, one more thing: I think it would be great if people would feel just as compelled to share their opinions on matters meatier than Promgate.

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I can understand that rule applying to minors, but she's 18, thus she's an adult. That rule shouldn't apply to her.

DOWN WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM!!!

Leknaat
03-29-2004, 02:11 AM
What the..since when could a school dictate what you did off campus?

Chaos Theory
03-29-2004, 02:11 AM
she can smoke if she wants I say

Lancet Jades
03-29-2004, 03:06 AM
That policy was most likely made to deter underage students from using those substances. However, some high school seniors are adults under the law, as they have had their 18th b-day before the end of the school year (just like i did).

And the argument that a 21+ year old prom date drinking alcohol before attending (in an attempt to use a similar situation to validate the point) is stupid. Alcohol is a different substance from tobacco. It has different effects, and therefore cannot be grouped in with tobacco to illustrate that person's argument.

Laggy
03-29-2004, 04:46 AM
Thats just wromng, but i know that it happends, i have had friends kicked off of football teams from smokeing off campus and they where 18...i would be very mad...but schools now have the right to do what they want, like if you get bad grades they can take your driving rights away...this is why i didnt go to school

Lancet Jades
03-29-2004, 07:25 AM
Thats just wromng, but i know that it happends, i have had friends kicked off of football teams from smokeing off campus and they where 18...i would be very mad...but schools now have the right to do what they want, like if you get bad grades they can take your driving rights away...this is why i didnt go to school
Meh, i wish i had that choice. School damn near ruined my life...

Laggy
03-29-2004, 07:34 AM
lol the court system ruined mine <_<;;

Lancet Jades
03-29-2004, 07:40 AM
lol the court system ruined mine <_<;;Yeah, but the court system ruins lots of people's lives. Its their job. Whereas you don't expect school to ruin a person's life.

Laggy
03-29-2004, 07:45 AM
yeah thats true

Quel Thalas
03-29-2004, 07:42 PM
omg... stupidity... now...i could understand such a rule for those under 18, but over, heh, stupidity...then again...id be sucseptable..im 16...and i smoke...

Lancet Jades
03-29-2004, 07:43 PM
Laggy, how exactly did the court system screw you over, anyways?

Laggy
03-29-2004, 10:53 PM
long story short...ok it cant be short...i was liveing in N.C. in a small ass town where there was nothing to do for the kids but drink and get high,..and nothing for the cops to do but TRY to catch us...after 3 years and them never catching me one that really didnt like me started telling my friends moms that i drank and shiat and that there kids shouldnt hang out with me....when i found out that 3 of my friends couldnt hang with me nomore i whent to have a nice little chat with that Fuker and told him and his dad (the sheriff) that if they couldnt catch me with anything they needed to shut the hell up, or id sue there asses.......
not long after they tryed to catch me on privet props..but i wasnt doing anything...they got my bro for drinking and driving and he still cant drive anymore yet...
then they sent in some under covers thinking they would get me...but i could smell them from far away and i stayed away from them..i told everyone they where pigs but ohwell...
well on of my X-friends...sold them weed...and guess what? he was the cop that didnt like me's cuz. so they changed some things around on the tape they had and said it was me (that x-friend said his name was me btw)...over 1 year of court and i was tierd of it,..so i took a deal thinking it would be over..the deal i had with the D.A. was that i plea to a missterminer(sp?) and it goes on my record but wou;d be cleired aftre i turned 18, so in all i'd be out of it...
the judge didnt like me..so he have me 18 months probation, and i had to take a drug test which i didnt pass, and that added a 9:00 cewfew...theres more to t but..thats the basics

Lancet Jades
03-29-2004, 11:25 PM
Damn, that sucks >_<

Thats why i hate the court systems in this country. Someday, its all gonna implode, and i'll be standing there laughing at all the poor ****ers that get super-screwed cuz of it, lol.

I say the same thing about the school system too.

Laggy
03-29-2004, 11:27 PM
yeah, i really hope that judges and such dont go to bed at night thinking they helped someone...cause in all truth they ruin lives..i mean they dont know me...they didnt know what i had planed for my life...i was on my damn way to africa and now ill have to wait 18 months if now more....

Lancet Jades
03-29-2004, 11:29 PM
I dont think those judges even think about the people they affect. All they care is that they dont do anything to endanger their cushy job.

But, systems so corrupt as the US school system, and judicial system, always come crashing down at some point. And when they do, i'll be there to make the bastards who are part of then pay :chuckle