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Lancet Jades
03-09-2004, 10:47 PM
'Abstaining' Teens Still Get STDs

PHILADELPHIA, March 9, 2004
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"'Just say no' may work in the short term but doesn't work in the long term."
Peter Bearman, Columbia University

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(AP) Teens who pledge to remain virgins until marriage have the same rates of sexually transmitted diseases as those who don't pledge abstinence, according to a study that examined the sex lives of 12,000 adolescents.

Those who make a public pledge to abstain until marriage delay sex, have fewer sex partners and get married earlier, according to the data, gathered from adolescents ages 12 to 18 who were questioned again six years later. But the two groups' STD rates were statistically similar.

The problem, the study found, is that those virginity "pledgers" are much less likely to use condoms.

"It's difficult to simultaneously prepare for sex and say you're not going to have sex," said Peter Bearman, the chair of Columbia University's Department of Sociology, who co-authored the study with Hannah Bruckner of Yale.

"The message is really simple: 'Just say no' may work in the short term but doesn't work in the long term."

Data from the study, presented Tuesday at the National STD Prevention Conference, was taken from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. That study was funded in part by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Once the data from the early findings study have been reviewed by peers, they will be submitted for publication, Bearman said.

Critics of abstinence-only education saw the findings as evidence that adolescents benefit from sex education.

"It's a tragedy if we withhold from these kids information about how not to get STDs or not to get pregnant," said Dorothy Mann, executive director of the Family Planning Council, an organization dedicated to reproductive health services.

The study found that the STD rates for whites who pledged virginity was 2.8 percent compared with 3.5 percent for those who didn't pledge. For blacks, it was 18.1 percent and 20.3 percent. For Asians, 10.5 percent of virginity pledgers had STDs compared with 5.6 percent of non-pledgers. For Hispanics, it was 6.7 percent and 8.6 percent.

Bearman said that from a statistical point of view the numbers were the same. Overall rates combining all races wouldn't be valid, he said.

"The point is, substantively, that if you knew someone who pledged, and you knew someone who didn't pledge, you had no basis for thinking that one of them would have an STD over the other," he said.

The study also found that in communities where at least 20 percent of adolescents pledged the STD rates for everyone combined was 8.9 percent. In communities with less than 7 percent pledgers, the STD rate was 5.5 percent.

"It is the combination of hidden sex and unsafe sex that creates a world where people underestimate the risk of STDs," Bearman said.

The study's other findings:

59 percent of males who did not pledge abstinence used a condom during sex; only 40 percent of male pledgers used a condom.
28 percent of female non-pledgers were tested for STDs in the previous year, compared to 14 percent of female pledgers.
99 percent of non-pledgers and 88 percent of pledgers have sex before marriage.

Saberstar
03-10-2004, 03:51 AM
Okay..I was wondering, how DO you get HIV even if you did not have sex? In other words, how did a person come to get it?

Lancet Jades
03-10-2004, 04:18 AM
It isnt that they dont have sex. The problem is that, even teens who swear abstinence still end up having sex at some point, and when they do, they're even less likely to use condoms, thus making it much easier to get HIV.

Saberstar
03-10-2004, 04:33 AM
That was not what I am talking about. I know how kids are...they just want to enjoy themselves. So they wouldn't use condoms. They would prefer the woman to take the pills though...
What i'm asking is if you have had sex, how are you able to get HIV? Without sex, of course, and the blood transmitting...

Lancet Jades
03-10-2004, 01:11 PM
What i'm asking is if you have had sex, how are you able to get HIV? Without sex, of course, and the blood transmitting...
That doesnt make sense...

Saberstar
03-10-2004, 01:40 PM
Okay. How did people get HIV in the first place? How did it appear?

Some people can get HIV even if they did not have sex or had a blood to blood crap going on. So how did they get it?

Lancet Jades
03-10-2004, 02:06 PM
Well, you can get HIV when you're born, if your parents had it.

Saberstar
03-10-2004, 04:34 PM
Yeah but how did they appear in the first place? It's the same as saying how did the first human appear on earth. :p

Lancet Jades
03-10-2004, 05:35 PM
Didnt it first appear when some guy got bitten by a monkey or something...then he had sex w/out realizing he was sick, and it spread from there....

Saberstar
03-10-2004, 06:19 PM
How did the monkey get it? o_O
And last thing I know...the money must have had an opening hole in his mouth...so bloodto blood.

Lancet Jades
03-10-2004, 06:22 PM
Well, i dunno. Why dont you do reesearch on it? Submit a 700 word essay about HIV to me by tomorrow. :p

Atari
03-10-2004, 10:30 PM
so....people pledge and than don't follow through w/ it. wow. breaking news.

cecini
03-12-2004, 01:59 PM
HIV isn't the only STD you can get though. And some STDs (especially women) can get by using tampons and stuff. They have to take that in consideration when they do a study like that. But, the study is just telling us something we already know. People break promises.

Lancet Jades
03-12-2004, 04:19 PM
Yeah, lol. And what promise is easier to break than one to yourself...?

Chicken Little
03-13-2004, 01:29 AM
so....people pledge and than don't follow through w/ it. wow. breaking news.


yeah its like a new revelation is it not? :wizard

Nereid
03-13-2004, 11:29 AM
To answer the HIV question...it's a naturally occuring disease in monkeys, with the differance being that the monkeys get better, but a fluke mutation in humans caused it to become a permanent disease.

Atari
03-14-2004, 04:05 PM
it's not a disease, it's a virus. what do you think the "V" stands for?

Chicken Little
03-15-2004, 04:36 AM
Virginia
Vivian
Vale
Van
Vile
Vividarium
Vermillion
Very
Vroom

to name a few :p

Nereid
03-17-2004, 07:34 PM
it's not a disease, it's a virus. what do you think the "V" stands for?

Um, dude, viruses have the same name as the disease they cause, which basically means virus = disease.

Atari
03-18-2004, 03:12 PM
but they're not the same....at all....that's like saying that fire is the same as a disease because they can both hurt you. lol. ok....so maybe it's nothing like that at all :)

ChibiArisu
04-22-2004, 05:19 PM
Wasn't there a major outbreak of HIV in Africa a while back? Can't remember what they said in class. And now in school, that call it "STI"s, it's stupid.

Lancet Jades
04-22-2004, 06:45 PM
you sure you dont mena "STDs"???

ChibiArisu
04-22-2004, 06:49 PM
In the county I go to school in, they changed it to STI's (sexually transmitted infections). I just feel soooo stupid saying that, when everyone else I know has no idea what Ima talking about. I mean....why change it?

Lancet Jades
04-22-2004, 06:51 PM
Well, those in power never could tell when to leave things alone...

ChibiArisu
04-22-2004, 06:54 PM
Which is what makes it so interesting... The people who wrote this report are either thinking, "The kids don't get the message, they need more learning" and almost beat it into the kids, or, "They just don't care..."

Lancet Jades
04-22-2004, 07:07 PM
With everything thats going on in schools today, i wouldnt blame the kids if they DON'T care...

ChibiArisu
04-22-2004, 07:09 PM
Exactly! People I know are so sick with teachers asking the class over and over again, "What would you do", and most of them just say what she WANTS to hear. I mean, that could be wrongful in some ways, but she doesn't have the absolute power to control you completely. Or at least she shouldn't... >_>

Chicken Little
04-23-2004, 12:56 AM
actually i think its in India that about 80% of all men there are HIV infected, and Africa would be high also since they on a majority dont have access to screening tests and preventioin material without aid from abroad.

ChibiArisu
04-23-2004, 03:29 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought, and that makes sense. There isn't enough screening and protection in thoses places, with high populations. But I guess since there is a high population, that makes it so there isn't any screenings and protection o_o, that just confuzzled meh.... >_<

Chicken Little
04-23-2004, 11:12 PM
lol no India had a screening program it was just initiated too late to do any good, so now theyre taking measures to stop the spreading of it elsewhere.