New Era as Obama swears in...

[Dark Luther]

I'm watching Obama walk down to become president...., you know - after the heated words of critic and truly simple hatred for the man..., I find this more inspiring....

To most this may seem rather cliche..., but to me such things were always a sideline.
I came here as an outsider - not black or white, not even American.
To me such issues seemed like something from before I had come...
Sadly, thismoment has brought the drudge of your society to the surface - in friends, mentors, family...
I see now the importance of such things..., for a new start - for a chance to prove wrong...

I felt bad from many of these statements - ashamed for the ignorance stated by many whom I knew, and angered by the hypocracy said by many. But I begin to understand that to those who live in ignorance will always say such things - and will never give a chance. The only way to strike back at them is not to argue, but simply move on and ignore them...
and prove them wrong.

I wish to give my faith to this man...,
he may have his faults like any man - but I give faith that he can prove them wrong.

[Applejack]

So how long before he fails to live up to his hype?


Place your bets now.

[Rainbow Dash]

Poor Bush, sitting there, watching Obama's speech thinking "Huh, why didn't I think of that?"

Obama will live up to his hype, for me at least. He's already begun to demonstrate the ideals he has that made me such a strong supporter of him in his speech, which sent a message to our friends and enemies across the world. I'm looking forward to working for him.

[king kuppy]

Just watched it in school. Very interesting.

[Nickelback]

Poor Bush, sitting there, watching Obama's speech thinking "Huh, why didn't I think of that?

Doubtful. I bet the guy was glad to be out of the presidency, albeit wistful.

Let's see what this new guy can do.

[Irving1992]

I'm just interested to see where this road leads us to now.

[Dark Marmosett]

I watched a tiny bit and yawned and turned off the live steam.

[Kaffee]

I'm just now getting up, so I didn't see it. I am looking forward to his presidency however.

[Kurbee]

I'm just happy to what this CAN lead to.

[horrible]

Doubtful. I bet the guy was glad to be out of the presidency

...I think your a little backwards, everyone other than bush is glad he is out of presidency >_>

as for obama, poor guy...his life is going to be a scrutinizing hell.

[Miles]

I didn't watch the thingy they had on for it.
I can't watch stuff like that...I can't pay attention to it.

It's all well and good. Actually, it's just down-right awesome but I still can't sit and watch it.

I hope he does a good job. Lives up to what he's said and doesn't let you or your country down.
(I may not watch but I often read. So I know a little.)

[Kurbee]

What's going to make Obama's life hell, is everyone that thinks the economy can be fixed over night.

[The Deity]

Obama will live up to his hype, for me at least. He's already begun to demonstrate the ideals he has that made me such a strong supporter of him in his speech, which sent a message to our friends and enemies across the world. I'm looking forward to working for him.

For him to live up to your hype, I think he'd have to both cure cancer and battle Lex Luthor.

What's going to make Obama's life hell, is everyone that thinks the economy can be fixed over night

Really whatever Obama does to the economy won't be truly felt until he's out of office.

[Lancet Jades]

For him to live up to your hype, I think he'd have to both cure cancer and battle Lex Luthor. What about raise the dead? I know someone named Lazarus, though not dead...yet >.>

[Chicken Little]

For him to live up to your hype, I think he'd have to both cure cancer and battle Lex Luthor.

Lex is a pansy, he'd divulge all the plans in the world that he had to Obama and meanwhile the SS would have jumped him.

I'm more interested to see how the foreign policy is changed since prior too there were calls that it was a good start to have the desire to fix relations but that actions were needed and you'd think that countries which harbour ill will towards America won't be as patient if things don't improve til much later.

[Kurbee]

There's one thing that really matters about all this.



http://i41.tinypic.com/2mw7ct2.jpg

[Rainbow Dash]

For him to live up to your hype, I think he'd have to both cure cancer and battle Lex Luthor.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/Yvl9921/obama_superman_awesome.jpg

But srsly, his foreign policy is the reason I was supporting him. I fiercely detest unilateralism, and he seems to share the idea that pissing off everyone is not going to win you any friends. And his speech knocked me out of my chair (well, I was sitting on the ground, but still) in that regard, and giving a speech like that is a signal to the rest of the world, not just rhetoric.

...I think your a little backwards, everyone other than bush is glad he is out of presidency >_>
Nah, Bush may have been a bit narcissistic, but he knows he fucked up.

[Lancet Jades]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/Yvl9921/obama_superman_awesome.jpg

But srsly, his foreign policy is the reason I was supporting him. I fiercely detest unilateralism, and he seems to share the idea that pissing off everyone is not going to win you any friends. And his speech knocked me out of my chair (well, I was sitting on the ground, but still) in that regard, and giving a speech like that is a signal to the rest of the world, not just rhetoric.


Nah, Bush may have been a bit narcissistic, but he knows he fucked up.
Remember Yvl, if Obama fucks this up, you're banned from political debating here on EF.

[Altima]

I didn't watch any of it. I also don't think he will live up to any of his hype and tyhat things will only get worse. Our economy is in such bad shape that it will take at least a decade to fix it.

Nostradamus told me to "beware Obama" and so I shall.

[Dark Marmosett]

Nostradamus
That name right there is enough to say, no. Its a big pile of BULLSHIT.
Some of the stuff he did was intriguing, BUT i highly doubt any of its going to be true.

[Rainbow Dash]

Our economy is in such bad shape that it will take at least a decade to fix it.
lol

2 - 3 years tops, most experts say. Dunno where you're getting the idea that it's somehow worse than the Great Depression.

[Altima]

lol

2 - 3 years tops, most experts say. Dunno where you're getting the idea that it's somehow worse than the Great Depression.

Some say that it may improve for a little while, and then go back to how it was. An example is gas prices. It was down to as low as $1.55 a gallon here 3 months ago or so and now it is back up to $1.89.

Our nation with all its companies going out of business and people losing so many job, won'tbe fixed that fast. The experts are just telling you, what you want to hear thats all.

[Rainbow Dash]

Our nation with all its companies going out of business and people losing so many job, won'tbe fixed that fast. The experts are just telling you, what you want to hear thats all.
But who am I going to believe - dozens of people with doctorates in economics, or... you?

[Altima]

But who am I going to believe - dozens of people with doctorates in economics, or... you?

You shouldn't listen to anyone and should instead go outside and see how freaking bad it is and that wil ltell you. Most experts aren't even really that smart anyway. They just make assumptions. Hell many of your 'experts' probably didn't think it would get as bad as it has gotten so they didn't know shit then, and probably don't know shit now.

Hell our mall is even going to close down maybe like many others. 2-3 years, shit it will take more than that to get us back to just where we were before the Bush Administration stepped in.

The nation's debt also needs to be looked into, and just so much work for Obama to do. Now is definately not the time to want to become president, so many messes to cleanup.

I think that Obama will fall far short of what people will expect of him. He will age quickly because of his presidency as all presidents do because of the enormous amount of stress that being the president puts on them, and what people expect of them.

[Dark Marmosett]

Some say that it may improve for a little while, and then go back to how it was. An example is gas prices. It was down to as low as $1.55 a gallon here 3 months ago or so and now it is back up to $1.89.
Gas was 1.69 here recently and is up to 1.79. I seriously doubt oil prices are going to change because of our economy. It really has nothing to do with our own economy as much as it does with the countries we buy it from.

You shouldn't listen to anyone and should instead go outside and see how freaking bad it is and that wil ltell you. Most experts aren't even really that smart anyway. They just make assumptions. Hell many of your 'experts' probably didn't think it would get as bad as it has gotten so they didn't know shit then, and probably don't know shit now.
Dood. You don't think we can already see the problems with our nation just by looking at it already? If you seriously think none of us can tell without you having to tell us. You seriously need to just flutter about more. The so called problem we have Isn't as bad as the depression. It won't even get that bad most likely. But what Yvl said. You know SHIT compared to them.

Your mall that's going to be closing is because they can't afford to stay open because people can't afford to pay for it because lets face it and get this out of the way. The area you live in, most likely isn't one of the highest income bearing areas in the US. Your area also probably isn't anywhere near the border of the state where people from a bordering state would come in to go shopping there, compared to...oh...I dunno. the Lehigh Valley Mall in our area. The mall is doing fine, and even expanded its shopping areas, because people from NJ come over there to shop some times too and the area around here is bigger, and the income tends to be higher in these more densely populated areas. Your mall closing has nothing much to do because of the dwindling US economy entirely. Its location and the people themselves.

[Kanaye]

I've yet to watch his inaugural speech. I found it on YouTube so I shall do so later on and when I have time.

God bless this man. He's facing 4 years of difficult work with the US in its current state.
Just my two cents there.

[Applejack]

Nostradamus told me to "beware Obama" and so I shall.



Anyone else find it funny how he believes Nostradamus and then tells Yvl to go outside and think for himself?

[Rainbow Dash]

You shouldn't listen to anyone and should instead go outside and see how freaking bad it is and that wil ltell you.
This is coming from someone who believes himself to be a saint while rubbing his riches in everyone's wounds?

For fuck's sake man. It's practically my JOB to keep up to date with how people are feeling, and judging from your actions and words, I sure as fuck know a bit more about this than you, who wants an entire industry to fail just because it would prove you right. Yes it looks bad, but no recession lasts ten years. This doesn't even begin to resemble the Great Depression yet. There was a 33% unemployment rate then. There were entire cities made of tents and homeless people. Right now the unemployment rate is about 9%. If the auto industries fail utterly and completely, it would reach up to 20%, but even that won't happen, as they would have to not only go bankrupt, but completely shut down altogether - which will not happen.

Yes things look bad now, but the free market along with Obama's increased spending in investments (Keynesian) and reduced taxes (Reaganomics) will pick this up within a couple years, and will pay the US treasury back when it is all taken care of as well. We're throwing everything at the problem. If it were someone with no understanding of the economy or a laissez-faire economist like Hoover, then yes, we could see this last for a while, but Obama is the exact opposite in both regards.

By the way, Nostradamus also said, "Altima is a douchebag." See what I did there? No, of course you don't, because I'm not a credible source of information like your woman or an anonymous e-mail.

[Dark Luther]

This is coming from someone who believes himself to be a saint while rubbing his riches in everyone's wounds?

For fuck's sake man. It's practically my JOB to keep up to date with how people are feeling, and judging from your actions and words, I sure as fuck know a bit more about this than you, who wants an entire industry to fail just because it would prove you right. Yes it looks bad, but no recession lasts ten years. This doesn't even begin to resemble the Great Depression yet. There was a 33% unemployment rate then. There were entire cities made of tents and homeless people. Right now the unemployment rate is about 9%. If the auto industries fail utterly and completely, it would reach up to 20%, but even that won't happen, as they would have to not only go bankrupt, but completely shut down altogether - which will not happen.

Yes things look bad now, but the free market along with Obama's increased spending in investments (Keynesian) and reduced taxes will pick this up within a couple years, and will pay the US treasury back when it is all taken care of as well. We're throwing everything at the problem. If it were someone with no understanding of the economy or a laissez-faire economist like Hoover, then yes, we could see this last for a while, but Obama is the exact opposite in both regards.

By the way, Nostradamus also said, "Altima is a douchebag." See what I did there? No, of course you don't, because I'm not a credible source of information like your woman or an anonymous e-mail.

Calm down now...,
perhaps all of us do such mistakes - but one shouldn't go so far to state one's knowledge above others - that's what points are for.

I must warn you about referencing and labeling certain things - such as low taxes as (Reaganomics)...lol
no seriously...don't.


Look - people are not saying it's the great depression,
they are saying that we are in a horrible position in our economy.
In truth - we are only suffering minor problems - many of which are not being noticed in my opinion, thus leaving a large conservative base who under estimate the problem.
But this is a simple opinion.


I am not an expert on the economy,
I have good understanding of it, and moderately follow it, but I have to admit I'm not too versed in it's current state enough to make a too detailed statement.

But I am a historian, and here is where I will make my point.
The economy right now is following a chain of events that one who knows abot the economy should know will cause a reaction in the future - ones that will compound into a larger crisis that - added to the negativity of our current situation will lead to a depression in a scale that is at the moment impossible to determine.

The great depression didn't happen over night - it occured with failing banks, problems with agriculture, deficiency with trade, a failing world economy, and then finally climaxed in the stock market.


Yes, there are saving points to this in our situation.

- The agricultural problems we had ended before the current problems, thus evading one thing.

- Some banks remained strong enough creating a system in which current surviving banks are much stronger.

- Even if the automotive and heavy industries fail, there are nations like China and India with enough capital to purchase them and save many if not most of the jobs.

- There is a boost in moral because of the change in presidencies which will aide in a turn in the economy.



But one must not ignore the current problems:
- Housing market disaster...
- Extreme problems in trade
- The state of the global economy
- The lack of spending in the US that is similar to Japan before their financial crisis
- The Bank situation that is worsening the housing and spending crisis

Other factors are occuring:
Heavy industries in the US are faultering and being purchased by India and China, not losing jobs but valuable assets and data technology.

[Rainbow Dash]

- Even if the automotive and heavy industries fail, there are nations like China and India with enough capital to purchase them and save many if not most of the jobs.
Oh boy, that sounds lovely.

[Altima]

it occured with failing banks

We definately have this problem.

problems with agriculture

I just saw on the news earlier that our huge farms here in America will plant less crops this year because of the worry that federal water reserves will run dry. So produce will most likely go up in price.

Some banks remained strong enough creating a system in which current surviving banks are much stronger.

I saw on the news earlier that the Bank of Americas which I thought was going strong may need to ask for $20 billion more for bailout after purchasing Meryll Lynch or something. Meryll Lynch gave billions, not millions, BILLIONS of dollars to executives in bonuses. Hell their CEO spent $800,000 just to decorate his damn office and throw a lavish 40th B-day for his wife on an island off of Italy, all while using company money. Other big executives went to strip clubs and stuff like that with their money all while laying off employees and going out of business. The mega-rich are so greedy and only think of themselves it seems.

There is a boost in moral because of the change in presidencies which will aide in a turn in the economy.

This is very true, but he had better fix our employment rate fast. I heard earlier that 579,000 people applied for unemployment for the very first time this week or this month, so that is a lot more unemployment added onto our already high rate.

But one must not ignore the current problems:
- Housing market disaster...

The building of new houes fell 27% from 2007, I just read that earlier.

The lack of spending in the US that is similar to Japan before their financial crisis

People have no money to spend except on the bills that they can actually afford to pay.

The Bank situation that is worsening the housing and spending crisis

This is correct as if people can't get loans from banks then they can't buy a car or a house.

[Applejack]

People have no money to spend except on the bills that they can actually afford to pay.






Well that explains all the crowds at the mall.

[Altima]

Well that explains all the crowds at the mall.

My mall is rather empty, and malls are liek Wal-Mart after 2:00am. Most people are there to walk around because they have nothing better to do.

They may be there, but they probably aren't spending as much money as they used to.

Another problem with this country, is that people live so far beyond their needs. I mean most families don't need 3 vehicles. Also 4 person families don't need 4 bedrooms and 3 bath houses to survive. People need to get only what they need and can afford the payments too. I don't need a $32,000 truck that will cost me over $500 a month in payments when a $20,000 truck will get me to where I need to go just fine.

[Applejack]

My mall is rather empty, and malls are liek Wal-Mart after 2:00am. Most people are there to walk around because they have nothing better to do.

They may be there, but they probably aren't spending as much money as they used to.

Another problem with this country, is that people live so far beyond their needs. I mean most families don't need 3 vehicles. Also 4 person families don't need 4 bedrooms and 3 bath houses to survive. People need to get only what they need and can afford the payments too. I don't need a $32,000 truck that will cost me over $500 a month in payments when a $20,000 truck will get me to where I need to go just fine.


If people have the money to get the expensive truck or the expensive house, chances are they are not in the percentage of people affected by the economy.

[Rainbow Dash]

Another problem with this country, is that people live so far beyond their needs. I mean most families don't need 3 vehicles. Also 4 person families don't need 4 bedrooms and 3 bath houses to survive. People need to get only what they need and can afford the payments too. I don't need a $32,000 truck that will cost me over $500 a month in payments when a $20,000 truck will get me to where I need to go just fine.
Why do you even need a truck to begin with?

[Dark Luther]

Hey gunny - I was kinda addressing the comments to you - because as someone well versed in the economy, I'd think you could comment well on the issues I placed forward.


To Droog - the simple truth is that people saved for a while to have money for christmas,
restaurants and malls did well - but now are plummeting down again.
Huge crowds at the mall means nothing though - as many go to malls and don't spend anything.


Also, what's occuring with banks is that weak banks are falling and being swallowed by larger stronger banks...
Banks tryin to make it on their own are now really feeling it...

[Applejack]

To Droog - the simple truth is that people saved for a while to have money for christmas,
restaurants and malls did well - but now are plummeting down again.
Huge crowds at the mall means nothing though - as many go to malls and don't spend anything

.


I wasn't talking about specifically Christmas. And while there are people that go to the mall for window shopping or whatever, the fact of the matter is that 80% of people walking around malls have bags of clothes and knicknacks. Even not during the holiday season.

I worked in retail for about a year. It was always crowded with people. People like to shop, it'll take a depression to make them stop.

[Dark Marmosett]

Hey gunny
Which Gunny? The current one with Gunny in the name, or me gunny? >.> gotta be more specific luther.

[Applejack]

Which Gunny? The current one with Gunny in the name, or me gunny? >.> gotta be more specific luther.




I was kinda thinking he meant Yvl, since Yvl's been doing all this economy talk and stuff.

[Rainbow Dash]

Hey Yvl - I was kinda addressing the comments to you - because as someone well versed in the economy, I'd think you could comment well on the issues I placed forward.
I would, but in all honesty, I don't see anything wrong with them, so I dont have much to say.

Except that the Reaganomics thing was more to demonstrate that a similar plan worked to pull us out of a previous recession, not to label all low taxes as Reaganomics.

I also never claimed I was an expert on the economy, just that I was raised by one.

[Kanaye]

This topic is relevant to my interests. Wish I would be more well-versed on the economic situation of the United States to actually make a statement here.

[Dark Luther]

This name thing you guys do is really annoying...
I've had my name four years now..., never a mix up...

[Setzophone]

We don't do the name changing thing.

Lades does it, it was cute for a while, not it's just annoying.

[Rainbow Dash]

We don't do the name changing thing.

Lades does it, it was cute for a while, not it's just annoying.
Indeed, especially this one.

[Lancet Jades]

I'm still wonder HOW your name is confusing, Yvl. It clearly states that you are NOT REALLY GUNNY.

[Rainbow Dash]

I'm still wonder HOW your name is confusing, Yvl. It clearly states that you are NOT REALLY GUNNY.
Can you really say that you would not give this name to Gunny?

[Lancet Jades]

Can you really say that you would not give this name to Gunny?
For someone who claims to be such a good debater, you seem to have a difficult time grasping the obvious reality here. Gunny has had his dog theme for a while, plus the staff titles are different. Completely ignoring the fact the name says NOT REALLY GUNNY.

[Rainbow Dash]

For someone who claims to be such a good debater, you seem to have a difficult time grasping the obvious reality here. Gunny has had his dog theme for a while, plus the staff titles are different. Completely ignoring the fact the name says NOT REALLY GUNNY.
Well, yeah. That's kinda obvious. I'm just asking.

[Night]

Next time either one of you gets ready to warn somebody for spam, I want you to remember the last five posts of this thread.

[Rainbow Dash]

Next time either one of you gets ready to warn somebody for spam, I want you to remember the last five posts of this thread.
Lades's done worse.

And when's the last time we've seriously warned anyone for spam anyway?

[The Deity]

And when's the last time we've seriously warned anyone for spam anyway?

When the DT was active.

[Rainbow Dash]

When the DT was active.
That was you. I meant Lades and I.

[Applejack]

And when's the last time we've seriously warned anyone for spam anyway?




I've been told off a few times for it.