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Rainbow Dash
08-22-2008, 12:34 AM
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said in an interview Wednesday that he was uncertain how many houses he and his wife, Cindy, own.

"I think — I'll have my staff get to you," McCain told Politico in Las Cruces, N.M. "It's condominiums where — I'll have them get to you."

The correct answer is at least four, located in Arizona, California and Virginia, according to his staff. Newsweek estimated this summer that the couple owns at least seven properties.

And a Politico analysis later in the day found McCain's family owns at least eight properties, according to property and tax records, as well as interviews.

In recent weeks, Democrats have stepped up their effort to caricature McCain as living an outlandishly rich lifestyle — a bit of payback to the GOP for portraying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) as an elitist, and for turning the spotlight in 2004 on the five homes owned by Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry.

Pro-Obama labor groups have sent out mailers highlighting McCain’s wealth, and prominent Democrats have included references to it in comments to reporters.

Twice in the past two weeks, those Democrats have focused on McCain’s houses.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) told Politico’s Ben Smith that it was McCain “who wears $500 shoes, has six houses and comes from one of the richest families in his state."

And David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, referred in an interview with Adam Nagourney of The New York Times to an imagined meeting of McCain strategists “on the portico of the McCain estate in Sedona — or maybe in one of his six other houses.”

The Obama campaign seized on the house issue Thursday with an ad called "Seven," claiming that's the number of houses McCain has.
The ad closes with a shot of the White House and the narration: "Here's ONE house American can't afford to let John McCain move into."

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said in response: "Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses? Does a guy who worries about the price of arugula and thinks regular people 'cling' to guns and religion in the face of economic hardship really want to have a debate about who’s in touch with regular Americans?

“The reality is that Barack Obama’s plans to raise taxes and opposition to producing more energy here at home as gas prices skyrocket show he’s completely out of touch with the concerns of average Americans.”

At a campaign appearance in Chester, Va., on Thursday morning, Obama said: "Somebody asked John McCain, 'How many houses do you have?’ And he said, I’m not sure. I’ll have to check with my staff. True quote: I’m not sure, I’ll have to check with my staff. So they asked his staff and he said, at least four. At least four! ...

"If you’re like me and you’ve got one house – or you were like the millions of people who are struggling right now to keep up with their mortgage so that they don’t lose their home — you might have a different perspective. By the way, the answer is: John McCain has seven homes. So there’s just a fundamental gap of understanding between John McCain's world and what people are going through every single day here in America."

McCain’s comments came four days after he initially told Pastor Rick Warren during a faith forum on Sunday his threshold for considering someone rich is $5 million — a careless comment he quickly corrected.

In the interview, McCain did not offer an alternate number, but had a new answer ready.
“I define rich in other ways besides income,” he said. “Some people are wealthy and rich in their lives and their children and their ability to educate them. Others are poor if they’re billionaires.”

McCain, by anyone's measure, is well-off, if you account for his wife's fortune. Cindy McCain inherited control of her father’s beer distributorship, the largest in Arizona, and has an estimated worth of more than $100 million.

Carrie Budoff Brown and Ben Smith contributed to this article.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12685.html

*facepalm*

Night
08-22-2008, 12:40 AM
I'd love for this to be what does him in, I really would, but I don't think alot of people will recognize the real significance here.

Also it's pretty defendable. The point's been made that he wasn't sure if he should include houses owned by his wife or her family, leases, rentals, and things like that.

Rainbow Dash
08-22-2008, 01:04 AM
He was asked how many houses *he* *owned*. Is there really that much room for misinterpretation?

At the very least this will stop the Republicans' silly attempt to make Obama out to be an elitist.

Nickelback
08-22-2008, 02:25 AM
At the very least this will stop the Republicans' silly attempt to make Obama out to be an elitist.

Ho ho ho! How little ye know of politics.

Rainbow Dash
08-22-2008, 02:50 AM
It wasn't working anyway. He's black, so people just couldn't see him as being a snob. Now they'll just hurt themselves if they mention elitism.

You're sadly probably right though.

In any case, this is something like what Prince Yvl would say. "I've lost count of how many houses I own, of course that's partially because I don't know if you mean to count dunegons, torture faciltiies, and slave quarters."

Nickelback
08-22-2008, 11:59 AM
Hey you know what's funny about elitism? You're running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FUCKING STATES.

Chicken Little
08-22-2008, 11:33 PM
He was asked how many houses *he* *owned*. Is there really that much room for misinterpretation?

In some instances where couples are married assets are combined in case one meets with an untimely death or some such, combined wealth. It was an issue in Aussie politics with the workforce agreements where Rudd's wife was brought into disrepute because a company she owns that Rudd doesn't was using he then governments agreements which Rudd was and is now getting rid of. Hypocrisy is a rather serious claim against a politician and can pretty much derail any further "attacks". Of course, the Australian problem ended when Rudds wife effectively sold all of her Australian arm of her company.

So if McCain owned 4 properties, his wife owned 3 and when they married they shared assets or even then did not, he would then own 7 as would she and McCains claims for Obama being elitist would smack of hypocrisy, be latched onto like a leach and politicians will suck it dry.

Rainbow Dash
08-22-2008, 11:57 PM
So if McCain owned 4 properties, his wife owned 3 and when they married they shared assets or even then did not, he would then own 7 as would she and McCains claims for Obama being elitist would smack of hypocrisy, be latched onto like a leach and politicians will suck it dry.
Problem is that McCain's "elitism" attack was already not working. Nobody could picture a stuck up black guy with a monocle, it's simply not seen or heard of. And the fact that he had been claiming that Obama was an elitist while wearing $500 + shoes and owning 7 houses SERIOUSLY undermines everything he's been saying the past few months in that regard - and people already saw it as silly.

No matter how you spin this, there's no way for this to be anything but damaging for McCain. All he's been doing in his defense has been throwing out the same accusations that got Hillary as far as she is now - and she didn't even have the problem he now has.

On top of all that, the Democratic National Convention is Monday, so it's inevitable that they'll continue to play this up there for a whole week to make it stick.