McCain's latest attack ad

[Rainbow Dash]

The one comparing Obama to celebrities. If you've seen it, you know what I mean, if not, be thankful. I just laughed and said "Oh, McCain, when will you ever learn?" at first, but then I got an E-mail from Obama explaining the real problem with the ads - it attacks the voters themselves.

Apparantly, millions of people becoming more involved in the most patriotic thing you can do without putting yourself in danger - paying attention to politics and voting - doesn't suit McCain, so he would prefer ignorance.

I don't fucking care if he was shot down in Vietnam. If he's urging people to be ignorant of politics, this man is a traitor to America in my eyes. I'd rather 4 more years with Bush than 1 with this prick.

[Nickelback]

More and more am I realizing that either candidate is not fit to lead this country.

[Spud Webb]

You have to admit that Obama at least has charisma. And charm. And a sense of humor.

[Rainbow Dash]

More and more am I realizing that either candidate is not fit to lead this country.
Obama may be inexperienced, but if you look at how he was in the time he has been in politics, he's done a damn good job. He really knows how to work the system and can be pretty damn cutthroat about it. If he didn't, there's no way he'd have gotten as far as he is now.

[Nickelback]

He looks and sounds weak when he's on the podium talking to press, moderators, interviewers, you name it. He slows down and stutters alot. It sounds like I'm being nitpicky, but I know other people, especially certain enemies of the united states are clueing in on this. Remember Hamas saying they supported Obama? Wonder why? Look at what happened with James Carter and the Iranian Hostage Crisis. They made his life hell, and they knew Reagan wouldn't take shit. While with McCain I fear for issues at home, with Obama, I fear for everything else in the world.

Either pick is bad.

[Applejack]

Obama seems to under perform in debates from what I've seen. And that's not exactly a good sign.

[Rainbow Dash]

Remember Hamas saying they supported Obama? Wonder why?
I always thought that it was because he was willing to negotiate with people rather than piss them off as much as possible - the policy of the current administration. I always thought that people were more likely to lash out at you if you pissed them off.

But again, Obama has been called one of the most two faced politicians of our time, and that was a compliment. Just because he looks weak and caring on the podium doesn't mean he wouldn't kill if he had to.

And I thought I made this point before, but... McCain may be more experienced with foreign policy, but that doesn't make him better. He's much more likely to get us into yet another war with Iran, which they will turn into a war of attrition, dragging it out for what could be 20 - 30 years according to some political analysts. And the way he treats other world leaders compared to Obama, we ain't getting shit in support as our economy collapses under the weight of a massive, drawn out war.

That, and McCain seems to be, in all honesty, going senile. You can hardly make it through a week without hearing him get something terribly wrong. The timing of the surge, for example, he thought took place long before it did. Didn't he sponsor that thing though?

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

...but then I got an E-mail from Obama explaining the real problem with the ads - it attacks the voters themselves.I'm still waiting for you to stop being a tool and think for yourself.

The ad was made in response to Obama's Europe trip, in which the media had been hailing his reception as that of a "rock star" for weeks because millions of Europeans came out just to hear the man speak. Europeans, if you'll recall from your fourth grade social studies class, cannot vote, nor can they take a "patriotic" interest in U.S. politics.

[Rainbow Dash]

I'm still waiting for you to stop being a tool and think for yourself.
There's a problem with someone pointing out something I missed? It's not like I follow everything blindly, I just don't talk about the things moveon and Obama have sent me that I disagree with, nor does anyone bring it up here.

The ad was made in response to Obama's Europe trip, in which the media had been hailing his reception as that of a "rock star" for weeks because millions of Europeans came out just to hear the man speak. Europeans, if you'll recall from your fourth grade social studies class, cannot vote, nor can they take a "patriotic" interest in U.S. politics.
So we should completely ignore the rest of the world because they can't vote in our election? The ad isn't being aired in Germany, if I understand correctly - it's not telling the German people to calm down and not participate, it's telling the American people to calm down and not participate.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

There's a problem with someone pointing out something I missed?Uhh, when "what you missed" is just a retarded partisan talking point with no basis in reality, then yeah, that's about right.

So we should completely ignore the rest of the world because they can't vote in our election? The ad isn't being aired in Germany, if I understand correctly - it's not telling the German people to calm down and not participate, it's telling the American people to calm down and not participate....no, it's saying that just because a lot of people around the world think "he speaks well" doesn't mean he's ready to handle nuclear launch codes.

Honestly, did you even see the ad?

[Rainbow Dash]

Uhh, when "what you missed" is just a retarded partisan talking point with no basis in reality, then yeah, that's about right.

You really think that McCain wants people to turn out in record numbers for Obama? Of course he'd prefer that people stay home, but you don't actually say it, or even imply it. If this made no sense to me I would just push it to the side and not pay any attention to it.

...no, it's saying that just because a lot of people around the world think "he speaks well" doesn't mean he's ready to handle nuclear launch codes.
It doesnt say anything about foreign people liking him. It says that he's a celebrity no better than a couple of ditzes that will not be named.

I could take it at face value and say that the ad says "Don't vote for him because he's a celebrity," followed by a couple of deceptive words (he'll raise taxes), but there's no way that any politician would endorse something that shallow, as it only makes McCain look like a douche. It still does that, but it's still trying, poorly.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

You really think that McCain wants people to turn out in record numbers for Obama? Of course he'd prefer that people stay home, but you don't actually say it, or even imply it. If this made no sense to me I would just push it to the side and not pay any attention to it....what?

Now you're punishing the guy not even for committing a crime, but for just having the motive to commit a crime? Are you fucking off your rocker?

It doesnt say anything about foreign people liking him."He's the biggest celebrity in the world."

Golly jeepers, you're right. :rolleyes

...but there's no way that any politician would endorse something that shallow, as it only makes McCain look like a douche. It still does that, but it's still trying, poorly.I don't even know what the hell this part is saying.

[Rainbow Dash]

Now you're punishing the guy not even for committing a crime, but for just having the motive to commit a crime? Are you fucking off your rocker?
That's not what I'm saying, dammit. Of course both sides want the other side to roll over and take it. But attacking the opposing side's involvement is wrong. Keep it between the candidates, don't bring those of us who have worked to get him up to that celebrity status into this.

I don't even know what the hell this part is saying.
I tripped over myself there, indeed. I'm saying that if it's not attacking the overzealousness of those of us supporting Obama, then what IS it trying to say? That you shouldn't vote for him just because he's popular?

"He's the biggest celebrity in the world."
Why is it that when people hear "the world" they hear "Everywhere except America"? I always thought we were part of the world, no?

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Ultima 9921 (3:10:19 AM): So do tell me what the problem is with that e-mail

tmhamlin (3:11:38 AM): it's a load of horse bollocks. the related portions are propaganda in every sense of the word, not based in a single iota of fact.

tmhamlin (3:12:03 AM): but if Lades weren't such a blabbermouth, I could've said that in the thread

Ultima 9921 (3:12:42 AM): For the record, it's not as though this is the only source of info on the campaign I get

tmhamlin (3:13:37 AM): no, but it's clearly the only source you're using for your opinion on the ad, since the ad itself covers nothing that the mailer claims it does. it's pulling accusations out of thin air.

Ultima 9921 (3:14:09 AM): THen you tell me what McCain is hoping to accomplish with that ad aside from telling Obama "Fuck you"

Ultima 9921 (3:14:52 AM): There cant possibly be people planning to vote for him just because he's acelebrity, and its no reason not to vote for him either

tmhamlin (3:15:35 AM): there are plenty of people voting for him just because he's "the popular choice," and if you think that's not possible then you obviously don't know people.

Ultima 9921 (3:17:04 AM): I think I see what you're saying now, but it doesnt make me much less disgusted at the ad

Ultima 9921 (3:18:10 AM): Still, that's gotta be a minority of the people, right?

tmhamlin (3:19:46 AM): Obama has one of the highest rates of republican defectors in recent history despite having the most liberal voting record in the senate, according to the people whose job it is to measure such things. so you do the math.

Ultima 9921 (3:20:24 AM): I know plenty of people like that, and it isn't because he's a superstar

Ultima 9921 (3:22:02 AM): They feel inspired by him - they arent just jerking off over his star power alone

tmhamlin (3:23:34 AM): I see the same thing in most Obama supporters that I saw in Ron Paul supporters (you know, the "I was gonna vote for Ron Paul, but now that he's out I'm voting for Hillary" types that clearly knew nothing of his policy). as a Paul supporter myself I was willing to put up with them, but that doesn't mean I think they're any less moronic.

Ultima 9921 (3:24:55 AM): Wait, Ron Paul was ever out?

Ultima 9921 (3:25:46 AM): I do have to admit though you're the only person I know that supported Ron Paul

tmhamlin (3:26:42 AM): not on his watch, but people stopped talking about him because it became mathematically impossible all of the support he'd gathered from people that were "inspired by him" just totally dropped off the map

tmhamlin (3:27:03 AM): *after people stopped talking about him

Ultima 9921 (3:27:15 AM): Didn't stop me from trying to convince my republican friends to vote for him in the PA primary, sicne they couldnt vote Democratic

Ultima 9921 (3:27:44 AM): I told them to cast pity votes for him

Ultima 9921 (3:27:52 AM): They didn't do it ;_;

Ultima 9921 (3:27:59 AM): as far as I know at least

Ultima 9921 (3:29:17 AM): Anyway, I really do see the logic behind the ad now, but I'm still disappointed in McCain - after all, if Obama went negative with all of McCain's flaws, he wouldnt stand a chance

~Fin

Toodles.

[Night]

In after the bell

Look at what happened with James Carter and the Iranian Hostage Crisis. They made his life hell, and they knew Reagan wouldn't take shit.
Whether or not that was the case is so arguable that it's not even funny.

Also, Hamas is not an enemy of the United States the way the Ayatollah was.

[Artemis Clydefrog]

Heh its just funny he'd compare him to Celebs when there have been what... 3 Republican Politicians who were celebs prior to their position?

Either way, both candidates are complete and useless idiots. Either way, America is quickly going down the drain. Either way, I'm fucking out of here man. Rather be in a country who doesn't start shit then be in a country thats constantly up the asses of everyone around the world.

[Rainbow Dash]

Rather be in a country who doesn't start shit then be in a country thats constantly up the asses of everyone around the world.
Give it longer than ONE admnistration. I really don't see how Obama will be up the asses of everyone around the world.

[Artemis Clydefrog]

I don't follow. I wasn't putting my remark towards any ONE administration.

[Lancet Jades]

Give it longer than ONE admnistration. I really don't see how Obama will be up the asses of everyone around the world.
It's quite simple, really. Obama will be up the asses of the world simply because he'll be there by default if/when he becomes president. Not through any fault of his own, but he'll nonetheless be up everyone's asses anyways.

[Artemis Clydefrog]

It's quite simple, really. Obama will be up the asses of the world simply because he'll be there by default if/when he becomes president. Not through any fault of his own, but he'll nonetheless be up everyone's asses anyways.

Thank you Lades.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Heh its just funny he'd compare him to Celebs when there have been what... 3 Republican Politicians who were celebs prior to their position?Reagan was a governor for eight years before applying to become leader of the free world. Don't know who else you're referencing.

Give it longer than ONE admnistration.The U.S. has been "up the asses of everyone around the world" for about eleven administrations now.

[Spud Webb]

Reagan was a governor for eight years before applying to become leader of the free world. Don't know who else you're referencing.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, I'd assume.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Arnold Schwarzenegger, I'd assume.There's the other actor-turned-governor-of-California, yeah, but I was hoping for a bit more of a national example, since I'm sure there is one somewhere.

[Applejack]

Fred Thompson was an actor, wasn't he? Since Chance only said politician and not candidate, I'd say he fits a bill. But he was also a Senator for 8 years. So there you go.

[Snips]

All I have to say is this: I wish politicians debated properly, with the pros and cons of points, to prove that their views are right. "Ad Hominems" are a children's way of arguing, and quite frankly, it's despicable to see ANY ad for ANY political party, since they never say what good they'll do; they just attack other politicians! I mean, here's how I see it. The more intelligent people use their eyes and ears, follow the debates and campaigns, then decide. The less intelligent ones let themselves be swayed by these attack ads. Which level of intellect would you rather have choosing who to lead a country, and who to represent that country on the world stage? Of course, politicians don't care who's better, do they? They just want to win, and unfortunately there are far more stupid people than smart people.

What I'd give to reform politics into something better, geez....

[Artemis Clydefrog]

Lets not forget the Sexual Tyrannosaurus himself, Jesse Ventura. Governor of Minnesota.

[Spud Webb]

I thought that for a second, but when I looked him up, it said he was Independent.

I don't know if I should trust the source though. Under policies, all it said was, "Not Having Time To Bleed."

[Artemis Clydefrog]

Hahaha, I am pretty sure he was republican, but I could be wrong.

[The Deity]

"The Body" won as a third party candidate and actually advises that the U.S. stop being a two party system and ad more parties to the mix. He doesn't care for either the republican or democratic party.

[Rainbow Dash]

The U.S. has been "up the asses of everyone around the world" for about eleven administrations now.
Not in the sense they are now, though. This administraion has tripled the amount of global ass fucking, which we had REALLY only done in Vietnam before. Those global bases don't really bother anyone sane now do they?

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Not in the sense they are now, though.Um, even moreso than we are now. Vietnam and these two wars are nothing compared to the shit we've pulled in the Middle East before. Why do you think they hate us so damn much? Hint: it isn't because of Bush.

Those global bases don't really bother anyone sane now do they?I'm not really sure what this means. Are you suggesting I was referencing our military bases? Even if so, you don't have to be "insane" to protest the presence of a foreign military in your country, if only because they never tend to behave well when stationed abroad.

[Rainbow Dash]

Um, even moreso than we are now. Vietnam and these two wars are nothing compared to the shit we've pulled in the Middle East before. Why do you think they hate us so damn much?
Because we helped them fight off a soviet invasion, then forgot to tell them about it?

Hint: it isn't because of Bush.
You wound me.

I'm not really sure what this means. Are you suggesting I was referencing our military bases? Even if so, you don't have to be "insane" to protest the presence of a foreign military in your country, if only because they never tend to behave well when stationed abroad.
That's all that came to mind at the time. I do see how it would be unsettling, but I mean that it only has caused MORE violence, as far as I know, in the middle east.