Homosexuality & Bisexuality

[Link]

As you know this topic is a very important at the upcoming election. Obviously....bush is against the ideas of gay marrige althought protestors are starting to make him lean against it. Wheater its a Texan thing (lol) or an actual wrong, what is your view on this? Should there be gay marrige, and should they have the same rights as everyone else? lol i think they deserve it but im not even sure if Kerry is for it.

[Apistat Commander]

I'm all up for gay marriage. If I want to marry my girlfriend a few years down the road, I should be able to.

[Wallie Wildo]

yes there should be gay marriage im 100% for it there should be eqel rights no matter what race religion or anything

[Laggy]

im not for it at all.. but.. i wouldnt vote for someone just because there not for it, or not vote for someone just because they are.

what happends hapends, it wont hurt me in any way, might start alot of BS that is unneeded but meh, lets see how it turns out

[Vincent The Dark]

Pro i suppose.......its realy an issue that doesnt concern me...............

[Lancet Jades]

I'm for gay "legal" marriages, but whether or not they\ can get married in a christian, catholic, etc marriage ceremony should be up to the religion.

But, as for legally being seen as married, then yes, they should. Equal rights and all.

[Laggy]

agreed on one thing

but i'll bet anyone here that if they make it ok, thewy will make it so the church cant turn gays down for being married

[Chaos Theory]

I am all for it

you wanna marry someone you love you should be able to

[Lancet Jades]

The government cant "force" churches to marry gays like that. Seperation of church and state and all.

[Link]

yes but some....."extremists" start saying, "what if you love your dog?? are you gonna be able to marry your dog? what is this world coming too!?!"

And sadly a good percent of america looks at gay Marriage from this view.

[Chaos Theory]

marry a person you love

dogs arent people

[Link]

Yes......but a lot of people cant get that through there through there heads. lol

but the more important issue is how the president will deal with gay marriage. :(

[Kaffee]

it doesn't bother me, i think its only fair that they recieve the same rights as everybody else. I have both Homosexual friends and BiSexual friends, and if the day ever came for them to get married i would be there.

[idgaf rpgfan]

The war in Iraq, the economy, foreign policy, job growth, homosexual marriage.......overall which of these are more important issues for the president? Homosexual marriage is just not that big of an issue to me, let them do what they want.

[Zelphiel]

I think that everyone should have the right to marry... but I'm not going to get into the details of how I think.

[Lancet Jades]

Yeah, but when you talk about "marriage" are you talking married under the law (meaning tax benefits and legally being recognized as a couple) or do you mean married in a religious ceremony (usually christian or catholic)? I think they should be able to get a legal marriage, but its up to the religion if they can have a "formal" ceremony, as most people think of it today.

[Setzophone]

ah, it doesn't bother me too much. I don't judge people in any way.

[Lancet Jades]

ah, it doesn't bother me too much. I don't judge people in any way.

Yep, same here. I just let people do what they want, and leave the judging up to God

As long as it doesn't affect me, i dont care =/

[Leknaat]

I say let them get married. I don't understand why there is such a big deal about this in the first place but that's just me I've never really considered issues like that a big deal. Everyone has the right to marry the one they love.

[Link]

eh well a lot of people seem to hate homosexuals. and use them as refrences to bad things in their everyday life-

"this is gay"
"fag"

lol but ya. even my friends do it. :lancy

[Jeff]

Let them get civil unions. If you've never heard the president talk, he is for civil unions. Civil unions will give the same tax breaks as marriage, etc etc. It's practically a synonym for the word marriage. I don't care about giving them the same benefits, but intruding on the word of "marriage" is wrong. Bush made the amendment to protect the word "marriage", not to stop homosexuals from getting civil unions.

[Leknaat]

eh well a lot of people seem to hate homosexuals. and use them as refrences to bad things in their everyday life-

"this is gay"
"fag"

lol but ya. even my friends do it. :lancy

yeah I understand what you mean on that. Hatred will always be there. I will say this much though they are far more accepted than say..ummm...fifteen years ago..lol Which I think is a good thing. It shows that over time people can become more understanding of different lifestyles.

[Lancet Jades]

eh well a lot of people seem to hate homosexuals. and use them as refrences to bad things in their everyday life-

"this is gay"
"fag"

lol but ya. even my friends do it. :lancy
Nowadays though, things like "this is gay" are so woven into our culture it isnt as much of a remark meant to demean homosexuals as it is just a saying.

Not that its a good thing, but its the truth.

[Laggy]

i agree on lades like that, i've stoped saying it, but i use to say things like "thats gay.." never used "fag" really =/

[Zelphiel]

Yeah, but when you talk about "marriage" are you talking married under the law (meaning tax benefits and legally being recognized as a couple).


you know me... I don't give a rats ass about religion. the legal stuff is what I'm talking about.

[Link]

IMO religion shouldnt play a role in marraige either...but your right its the legal part thats important right now.

[Laggy]

religion does play a role though, most people go to a church for it, you cant get married in a chruch without them at least thinking you beleive in God.. so it does =/

[Zelphiel]

actually... it's about 50/50. a lot of people do it through a judge or jp these days.

[Laggy]

well, thats true, but these who do go through chrcuh have to deal with the religion thing

my mom and dad whent through a judge.. i think i'll just do it how ever the girl wants, i have nore care about it lol

[Lancet Jades]

IMO religion shouldnt play a role in marraige either...but your right its the legal part thats important right now.

But, marriage started out as a religious concept. And, if you only talk legally, technically it shouldnt be marriage but "civil union" as some people say. Marrage was just adopted by the law because it was so woven into society and culture.

So technically, religion plays the MAIN part in marriage

[Zelphiel]

like I was saying... it did have a large role, but not anymore unless you want it to be that way.

[Lancet Jades]

I know, i was just schooling Link. And, although religion doesnt play a big part in marriage anymore, the fact remains a lot of people get married in christian or catholic marriage cereminoes in churches or cathedrals. Its that aspect, the lingering religious one, that should be left up to said religions.

[Link]

i just said IMO lades....lol.

[Rick_dowg2099]

im not for it if you want to know why go look at my posts in the other fifty threads made about gay people

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

As you know this topic is a very important at the upcoming election. Obviously....bush is against the ideas of gay marrige althought protestors are starting to make him lean against it. Wheater its a Texan thing (lol) or an actual wrong, what is your view on this? Should there be gay marrige, and should they have the same rights as everyone else? lol i think they deserve it but im not even sure if Kerry is for it.
Yes, they should have the same rights. Myself I do NOT to agree with homosexuality whats so ever. However, as Americans they still deserve the same right as heterosexual people have been getting all along.

[Rick_dowg2099]

what? thay should have the same rights the people that arent crazy in the head have? ill be cool with it right after thay make the U.S. a better place by getting rid of the bad cops that only pull you over to get money for new roads and outfits, and when thay stop putting people in jail for killing another person or putting ppl in jail for rapeing young girls and killing them or when thay do make it ok for a person to marry there fucking dog....dont ban me for being an old fashion TRUE american. we have way more probs in the U.S. then to worry about a bunch of gay ppl trying to get married...thay need to stop wasting the time of the prez so maybe he can do something worth doing ...im not the only one in the world that feels this way maybe the only one here but not the whole world, if thay make it ok for the scum to get married then i see ALOT more people getting killed in the U.S. not just cus thay dont like gay ppl but cus if we put out the message that its ok to be gay then more kids will be raped and killed and soon there will be naked ppl on tv and ppl butt fucking in the middle of the damn road lol its true LOOK AT WHAT WILL HAPPEN LATER DOWN THE ROAD IF WE LET THIS HAPPEN

[Tiffany]

i personally don't c anything wrong w/it..i mean after all it's their lives, they should be able to live how they want...

[Rick_dowg2099]

then shouldent the old men that like the look and feel of young girls be able to do the same???? where do we draw the line of wackness??????? you can only be on one side

[Lancet Jades]

then shouldent the old men that like the look and feel of young girls be able to do the same???? where do we draw the line of wackness??????? you can only be on one side
Marrying your dog, or old men trying to sexually harass young girls, are all different than allowing gays to get married under the law. And, if you cant figure out why, then you're the one who is wack.

[Chance]

I could really care less, I mean, do I think they should have equal rights? yeah of course, everyone should, but really, the matter doesn't concern me, I'm not gay, so I mean..I dont' look into it all that often...for those who are..I wish you luck...what else can I say?

[Tiffany]

well rick, u have no prob w/bi or gay girls so y bi or gay guys? either way it's still ppl of the same sex being attracted to one another

[Saberstar]

Yes, they should have the same rights. Myself I do NOT to agree with homosexuality whats so ever. However, as Americans they still deserve the same right as heterosexual people have been getting all along.

You have my respect. At least you're not as blunt as the others. >_>;;

[Rick_dowg2099]

what ever dude lol i was gonna bitch but im not tryin to get banned but you will see in a few years if thay make it ok for gays to kiss in public..insted of them keeping it a secret you will be hit on every where you go lol see how you like it man....im not worryed cus ill get put in jail after the first time grrrr

[Saberstar]

If 2 people of the same gender kiss in public, them ignore them. It's none of your business. If YOU fart, pick your nose, scratch your penis in public. It's no one's business either. I'm sure you don't want them bitching at you either.

[Rick_dowg2099]

kenny... lets not get into it man grrrrrrr

[Saberstar]

don't grrrr me *slaps*
Treat others with respect, and they'll do the same to you. After all they're human as well.

[Lancet Jades]

Rick, you go and say "homosexuality is wrong, no one should be alloed to do it". You cant expect people who disagree to just leave you alone on it. Thats why this is called a "Debate". If you throw something, even your opinion, out there, expect it to be attacked.

[Rick_dowg2099]

i still havent seen any good reasond for why you all think its ok...its not love its lust and those who think its love know not love

[Saberstar]

Well you could try and put your religious belief aside and think, through your own opinion if it's right or wrong. Of course this is very hard for you to do. And even so, you would continue to say it's wrong.
So let's think of it this way. You would think having sex below the age of 18 is right?

[Lancet Jades]

i still havent seen any good reasond for why you all think its ok...its not love its lust and those who think its love know not love

And what makes you a know-it-all on love, mr. i've-slept-with-tons-of-girls?

Frankly, you have no hard evidence to back up your claims, which is why people oppose them and tear your viewpoint apart =/

[Rick_dowg2099]

thats what i just told cacaw..iv looked at it in my own eyes man iv lived my whole life knowing how a gay thinks and acts id rather not post why but its not cool but dont bring my religious belief into this thread ... its rong cus it just fucking is a gay person isent right in the head iv knows many and there all the same.. there hands shack cus thay jack off 50 times a day thay dont know who thay really are cus of the demons running around in there head thay lie 24/7 and thay cant stand to see other ppl happy thay like to argue even though thay have nothing worth saying to say..thay live in there own little twisted world eather cus thay dont know the real meaning of live or cus thay where hurt when thay where young by there mom or a guy lol i was fucked with by 2 guys when i was like 5/6 thay made me suck there fucking dicks i dident turn out gay cus im stronge ..i bet you liked seeing what i just said dident you? sick fucker i dont give a fuck man about what you think cus i know you maybe even better then you know your self dont test the old dawg yo ass will always get bit

[Saberstar]

You may think you know all about them, but do you seriously think you do? All of this is assumption. Knowing how they act and think is bs. You can't possibly know if you're not one yourself. As there are bad homosexual, there are also bad straights. Not all of them are bad.

[Lancet Jades]

I agree w/ kenny. Although there are plenty of gays who are twisted, and who are wicked, so is the same for straights. The only real difference is the fact that its more convienent for society to cast the stone of evil at gays, then it is to throw it at themselves.

[Wallie Wildo]

what i cant stand is how i told rick that i think i might be bi is why he pissed me off and hes always said i was cool now he doesnt say shit to me

[Rick_dowg2099]

how many gays have you knows irl? not online iv been around and done things you prolly wont ever do iv seen things that you really never will see man i DO know yo ass and every other gay person its sick and the person that stands by one is to ..but the thing ill never know is why a person can turn gay and never have had pussy or loved a GIRL ...theres always hope out there for you man just cus you have no game or think that the girls think your ugle dont mean you gotta give up and go gay lol..but for me to argue my point to you is pointless the same as for you to argue your point to me cus you havent ever felt the things that keep me strate so i cant talk any sence into you and im done trying..you will see all things in time..peace out

[Rick_dowg2099]

that was a low blow cacaw aftere you said that my mind went blank......

[Saberstar]

Well my theory, if a guy can give another guy buttsecks. >_> Then I see no reason for them to give one to a woman. It's just a matter of appearance, IMO. To gay, the male appearance turns them on.
Anyway, gays may have sick and twisted minds, but so does rapist, And i'm talking about straight guys. And to think it's even worse then gays. Why? Mainly because raping a woman can make them PREGNANT. The world is already full of people. We don't need anymore of this nonesense going on. Woman getting abortion, not wanting a baby because they got raped by an unknown. What do you think about that?
No one is perfect, but you seem to think that straight are less evil then gays. But all in all, they're the same. Sick twist gay thinks the same as strraight rapist.

[Wallie Wildo]

why because someone who you like turns out to be bi is it impossible for someone whos not straight to be cool

[Saberstar]

Cacaw is still cacaw. Even after knowing his sexuality, things shouldn't have changed. Would you want to ruin a friendship over something this stupid? If he is bi, he would be an example of a good bi/gay person. Which proves you wrong.

[Zelphiel]

what? thay should have the same rights the people that arent crazy in the head have?

or when thay do make it ok for a person to marry there fucking dog....dont ban me for being an old fashion TRUE american.

if thay make it ok for the scum to get married then i see ALOT more people getting killed in the U.S. not just cus thay dont like gay ppl but cus if we put out the message that its ok to be gay then more kids will be raped and killed and soon there will be naked ppl on tv and ppl butt fucking in the middle of the damn road lol its true LOOK AT WHAT WILL HAPPEN LATER DOWN THE ROAD IF WE LET THIS HAPPEN

then shouldent the old men that like the look and feel of young girls be able to do the same????

its rong cus it just fucking is a gay person isent right in the head iv knows many and there all the same.. there hands shack cus thay jack off 50 times a day thay dont know who thay really are cus of the demons running around in there head thay lie 24/7 and thay cant stand to see other ppl happy thay like to argue even though thay have nothing worth saying to say..thay live in there own little twisted world eather cus thay dont know the real meaning of live

i DO know yo ass and every other gay person its sick and the person that stands by one is to


Rick... all of the above was absolutely uncalled for. If you want to argue your side on the issues of homosexuality do it in a mature manner. This is your first and final warning on this. As of now you are on Zero Tolerance. Any violation of this will earn you a ban from Evermore.

[Rick_dowg2099]

did i say anything about a bi person? no but i will now.. the word bi is sooooo funny to me cus what it is is a word made by the people in the world that are ( confused )
thay havent had any good times with a guy or girl so thay get confused and (TRY) to go both ways when like i said to cacaw a few mins ago there iare a couple things in the world that have 2 sides you can only stand on eather side there is no middle ....a (bi) person if you can look into his past you can always find something that would/could make him confused down the road ...only one way to fix this prob take some alone time just to think about witch side you need/want to be on and get out of the house and meat some people girls and boys cus you will never find anything out staying in the house

[Saberstar]

The word cus is also made up by people, and it's very lame IMO. The same way you think the word bi is funny. The bible itself is made up, not written by god itself. So? people still believe in it.
So you're saying stuffs like white and black does not create gray? because it sure does, that would make it in the middle. Just as there is heave nor hell, earth being in the middle. Of course, we think that way and won't know for sure. But you yourself do not know the who meaning in as well. The whole 2 sides, you can be in either one. Which is completly bs.
And as far as I know being a bisexual is somewhat better. At least this way you're stuck in the middle. You'll end up treating BOTH gender equally, unlike you.

The warning wasa bit harsh. Well maybe the ZT is. :\

[Rick_dowg2099]

i was about to get myself banned cus your really pissing me off how you keep bringing God and the bible in this so insted of you acting like your arguing with me cus i dont like gay ppl how about drag my ass to the gates of hell and bash me for the real reason your acting like this lil man

[Saberstar]

Well it's a debate. So what if i'm bringing god into this? You can't seem to use your brain properly, so why should I hold back? Besides what I speak is truth so meh.

[Rick_dowg2099]

what you speak hasent made a lick of sence in the past 3 posts man..and you saw earlyer where i said im looking at it from my own eyes not the way god would want me to look at it so why bring god into this? i havent yet (CUS) i know you think god isent real but you know i do and i know hes real and that pisses you off so change the sub back to gay or lets go to the gates before i get banned and talk about the reason i piss you off the reason that keeps you posting..(CUS) we all know the reason im posting grrrr

[Saberstar]

i'm not really pissed off. :p I'm might be pissed off at the fact as to how you have to think all gay and bi are bad people. Yes, we should include bi because they like the same gender just as gay people does. Oh for your record, i used to believe in god. heh, not anymore. You see it with your own eyes you say. But you can't based on 1 or 2 vision to make it seem like it's a bad thing. You haven't seen EVERY thing yet. Are you saying it's okay for straight people to rape females? Being gay isn't a choice. Most of them are born with it. And don't go bitching saying it's not, because you won't know for sure. Seeing as you're neither borned gay or bi.

[nightsavior]

well this topic has come up over and over. rick gay ppl aren't scum. there are good hard working honest ppl that are homosexaul and bi. look i'm straight but i haven't had a reason yet to hate ppl with different sexaul preferences. sure there are bi and gay ppl that are jerks but there are alot of hetersexaul ppl that are jerks too. raping a girl is taking her against her will that is trully wrong. most ppl who are gay were born gay they just don't find out right away because in the media romance is always between guys and girls so they think something is wrong with them or they are afraid to come forward. in my opinion i think gay ppl should be able to marry. it is afterall a human right and they are people just like us.

[Lancet Jades]

well this topic has come up over and over. rick gay ppl aren't scum. there are good hard working honest ppl that are homosexaul and bi. look i'm straight but i haven't had a reason yet to hate ppl with different sexaul preferences. sure there are bi and gay ppl that are jerks but there are alot of hetersexaul ppl that are jerks too. raping a girl is taking her against her will that is trully wrong. most ppl who are gay were born gay they just don't find out right away because in the media romance is always between guys and girls so they think something is wrong with them or they are afraid to come forward. in my opinion i think gay ppl should be able to marry. it is afterall a human right and they are people just like us.
No, getting married isnt a basic human right. Its a religious right, held by most religions. A civil union, which has come to be called marriage, even by the law, is a right granted by this country. The civil union 'marriage' should be allowed for all people, regardless of sexual reference. But, the religious 'marriage' shouldnt be. It should be up to the religion itself if they let gay people get married. And, if the religion decides that homosexual marriages are a sin, then why would gays want to be married under that religion anyways?

As for gays being "scum" nightsavior pretty much sumed it up.

[Johnson Swags]

i think it is wrong to like another guy or in a gilrs case another girl but we can't stop it buy wanting it to stop we have to pray for them yes i am christian i think tht we should show them jesus so they know what is right and they get the deamon in them out of them but only way to do tht is to do somtin not sit here on our butts posting
and yes u can say well what doo u think ur doing the_game_is_on well i need to prary more because right now i not doing to good with the lord i need to get somw things stright but all we can do is pray for them pray for them now soooo.......

[Saberstar]

lol your post hurts my head, from reading it...:\
This thing is old...and I doubt a lot of people would wish to continue it. If I were um..i would had closed this.

[nightsavior]

agreed kenny its been debated WAY too many times. lol.

[Brant]

If marraige in this country was nothing more than a ceremony, then I would see no reason to allow gay marraige. However, The United States has adopted marraige and added legal aspects to it. Once this was done, marraige should be open for all.
Married couples have over 2000 more rights than couples who have a Same-Sex Civil Union such as 'If thier partner becomes seriously ill, someone who is married, is allowed, by law, to take time off to take care of the sick partner.' However, anyone involved in a Same-Sex Civil Union is not allowed to do this, and can be legitimately fired from thier job if they do so. Also in times of crisis, 'A married person can make decisions on behalf of thier partner.' Once again, anyone in a Same-Sex Civil Union is not allowed to do this.
Once our country takes something and gives specific rights to it, it is wrong to deny anybody these rights or this country will be supporting one (or a few) religions and/or set of beliefs above all others.
I used to support Same-Sex Civil Unions as an alternative, but have come to realize that by having marraige for straight couples and having Civil Unions for gay couples, you are saying "Seperate, but equal" at best an we've all seen the consequences of such an idealology.

[Laggy]

but you foregt that this country was founded on a one set of religions beliefs.

[Brant]

When people were settling, yes this was a nation based on one religion's beliefs. However, when it came to writting our Constitution and Bills of Rights when we were forming as a country, it was decided that people would not be oppressed due to religious factors.

[Laggy]

and really, this isnt a religious thing IMO

i mean, even if it was it wouldnt be by ONE set religion. it would be by mostly every one of them..

you still cant prove that gays are born that way, cause theres no real way to tell IMO.. and WTF whent wrong to make them born with somthing missing in there brain? >_>

oh my bad, sorry.

anyway... its how people think of it... most of the only people that think being gay is ok, are people that either ARE gay, or have someone gay in there family

i have had a few gays in my family, and i still think its wrong, i dont hate peopel that are...i use to... but not now, but i stilll think its wrong, always will

[Brant]

Well, I wouldn't say that you are wrong for saying you don't think it's right. Even though I say that I believe it's something people are born with, that doesn't always mean it's right. People are born with mental illnesses and they aren't always viewed as being right. However, they are not a threat to others or themselves, so I see no wrong in it.

[Hikari Tsukishiro]

Ouch...Relating homosexuality to a mental disease...
I realise where you were going with that, though. Just wanted to let you know how that statement could be viewed.

anyway... its how people think of it... most of the only people that think being gay is ok, are people that either ARE gay, or have someone gay in there family

That's just a misconception. I am not gay, nor is anyone in my family gay. I don't even have any gay friends. So that point is moot.
I think being gay is fine. Love is love.

[Lancet Jades]

Ouch...Relating homosexuality to a mental disease...

No points there. I realise that wasn't intentional, but still...



That's just a misconception. I am not gay, nor is anyone in my family gay. I don't even have any gay friends. So that point is moot.
I think being gay is fine. Love is love.
But, he didnt say ALL people who support gays are gay, or know someone gay, he said most do.

[Brant]

Actually, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness for a short period of time, but the gay community had such an uproar about it, that it was quickly taken off.

I don't view it as being an illness because it doesn't hurt them or anyone else while a true mental illness does.

[Hikari Tsukishiro]

Even most would be a embelished statement. I also realise that he was just exaggerating though. So let's just let dogs lie.

*kicks a puppy*
Okay, now let's let it rest.

[Rick_dowg2099]

i am NOT FOR IT (AT ALL) and no prez that is will be voted in any time in the next 1000 years cus 95% of the U.S. of A. are christian.....but why do i post on this sub for the 30th time? i will never know.......................... ..........

[Johnson Swags]

well i think they must have smoked to much or somtin
they need some scense slaped into them well who gana help me lol

[Brant]

i am NOT FOR IT (AT ALL) and no prez that is will be voted in any time in the next 1000 years cus 95% of the U.S. of A. are christian.....but why do i post on this sub for the 30th time? i will never know.......................... ..........

95% of the US is not Christian. While it may be true that there are more Christians than any other single religion in the US, they are definately not that high and it's delusional to think so.

[Rick_dowg2099]

PEOPLE SHOULD BE WARNED FOR DISSIN THE DRUNK RICK DAWG BEFORE GOING AND DOING THERE HOME WORK.....

[Lancet Jades]

PEOPLE SHOULD BE WARNED FOR DISSIN THE DRUNK RICK DAWG BEFORE GOING AND DOING THERE HOME WORK.....
I should warn YOU for spam....

[Zelphiel]

actually Rick... that figure is a little closer to 80% than it is to 95.

[Laggy]

...actually i think its 65...

[Hikari Tsukishiro]

Someone look it up, instead of just guessing and pulling random numbers out of air.

2000 census bearau.

Top 10 Largest National Christian Populations
Rank Nation Number Percent
1 USA 224,457,000 85%
2 Brazil 139,000,000 93%
3 Mexico 86,120,000 99%
4 Russia 80,000,000 60%
5 China 70,000,000 5.7%
6 Germany 67,000,000 83%
7 Philippines 63,470,000 93%
8 United Kingdom 51,060,000 88%
9 Italy 47,690,000 90%
10 France 44,150,000 98%
11 Nigeria 38,180,000 45%

[Laggy]

Someone look it up, instead of just guessing and pulling random numbers out of air.

2000 census bearau.

Top 10 Largest National Christian Populations
Rank Nation Number Percent
1 USA 224,457,000 85%
2 Brazil 139,000,000 93%
3 Mexico 86,120,000 99%
4 Russia 80,000,000 60%
5 China 70,000,000 5.7%
6 Germany 67,000,000 83%
7 Philippines 63,470,000 93%
8 United Kingdom 51,060,000 88%
9 Italy 47,690,000 90%
10 France 44,150,000 98%
11 Nigeria 38,180,000 45%

i did look it up, all i found was a site saying it was 65-70 in 2001

[Dark Luther]

I have the figures right here that say that 85% of American citizens are christian. But how many are practicing may change the stats ( census 2003 IN Brittanica ). You forget as well there are several different forms of christianity in the protestants, which brings me to another point.

The fight has not been over unions, but over their "marriege", which many say can't be allowed because marriege is a christian ceremony that involves a man and a woman. This is completly wrong.
Marriege has been a part of several religions centuries before christianity, some of which not only allowed gay marriege, but had it as a norm. There are even protestant religions that do not decriminate against homosexuality.
It's also not even about the union ( they could have all the liberties of a married couple ), many are stating that to not to allow their ceremony a marriege is to single them out and treat them differently.

I myself ask why don't they deserve their rights.
Religion - as being written by man, is and has been proven to have been in the past,
WRONG.

[Pinkie Pie]

k... time for 'lil Hotaru to go off on her ranting...

The right to marry the person you love, regardless of gender, is a basic human right. Yes, Christianity may have it's own special ceremonies and formalities to add in with it, but it's hardly a religious concept. The basic concept of marriage has become (and should be, IMO) completely seperated from religion. It's now a legal process. Yes, the church may hold a ceremony for it, but in the same token, a non-religious person could hold their own ceremony, say a party at a house. (before you religious types get offended by that, keep in mind that there are many different types of parties, some very formal... I just know what I'm saying here is gonna get twisted around...)

Anyways, having said that... the rights of any individual should never be restricted like that.

*sighs* And as far as homosexuality being evil, wrong, etc... I have yet to hear from anyone a convincing argument from anyone for that statement. The most I've heard said about it is "because God said so." I won't go into my points against that for several reasons, 1, because it's just gonna start a huge fight, and 2, that's not really what this thread's supposed to be about anyways.

One other thing... the point was argued here that "homosexuality is all about lust, not love..." Excuse me, but how do you know this? Unless you're gay yourself, I don't see how you could make that kind of argument. (And even if you are gay, you're just quoting your own experiances, which doesn't neccesarily apply to everyone else in the world)

k... I'm done for now... *sighs*

*prepares to get flamed*