Objection!

[Travisblaze]

I don't know what Dave did but I doubt it warranted a ban, I'm objected to it because Dave is a quality poster, always has been. He was a admin over at CE/GC for these very reasons but now you give him the boot over a one time thing. Let it go, he doesn't rate a ban at all.

[Lancet Jades]

He's been shitting up EF for months now, gets in fights with everyone (by his own admission even), and last night, he basically said the rules don't matter for him anymore.

I think both he and EF will be better off with him gone, because also by his own admission he didn't like EF much, or a lot of the discussion topics here.

[Whoop That Trick]

Dude. You seriously banned him when he was LEAVING. He was saying PEACE. Like he's OUT. You just have to feel so fucking in control. You're such a fucking jerkoff its not even funny man. Dave essentially said "I quit." and you pulled the dick boss move, "You can't quit! You're fired!"

Get over yourself you fucking tub of shit.

"Go eat a hamburger and choke on a cow dick."

[Miles]

Well then, there's nothing to worry about. He was going, so now he's gone. Lades did him a favor.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

I don't know what Dave did but I doubt it warranted a ban, I'm objected to it because Dave is a quality poster, always has been. He was a admin over at CE/GC for these very reasons but now you give him the boot over a one time thing. Let it go, he doesn't rate a ban at all.He "used" to be a quality poster, but for a while now he hasn't been able to open his mouth without trolling.

...and I hardly think "Jeff made him an admin" is indicative of, uh, anything.

[Nickelback]

I don't know what Dave did but I doubt it warranted a ban, I'm objected to it because Dave is a quality poster, always has been. He was a admin over at CE/GC for these very reasons but now you give him the boot over a one time thing. Let it go, he doesn't rate a ban at all.

I disagree on this for one key reason and factor; You can't rate someone based off their powers or posts on another forum when the current problem stems from a forum different from CE/GC.

It's a whole different ballgame, as a result. How he chooses to act here is up to him, and is not offset by his previous postings or administrations on another forum.

[Applejack]

I don't know what Dave did but I doubt it warranted a ban, I'm objected to it because Dave is a quality poster, always has been. He was a admin over at CE/GC for these very reasons but now you give him the boot over a one time thing. Let it go, he doesn't rate a ban at all.


Yes, that Dave was such a quality poster, with such quality posts that only turn topics into steaming piles of unrelated tripe. REAL quality there. I was a member of CE/GC before EF and Dave was a quality poster there. But upon coming here after CEs closure he became an ass, much like Chance or Whoop whatever the fuck the big headed douche wants to call himself, that generally did nothing but insult other users because he didn't agree with their statements. Yeah, such quality, I can totally see why he should be unbanned.

And I'm also glad to see Chance go as well. Ever since he came here he's been an arrogant fuckwit. "Oh, these people like anime. FAGS! REAL MEN CALL WOMEN DEROGATORY NAMES AND INSULT OTHERS BASED ON THEIR GENERAL INTERESTS! WHAT A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS! I'M SO MUCH BETTER THAN THEM BECAUSE I HAVE MANLY INTERESTS LIKE RAP AND GEARS OF WAR!"

I say good riddance. Two negative posters removed. Let's move on.

[Miles]

"Oh, these people like anime. FAGS! REAL MEN CALL WOMEN DEROGATORY NAMES AND INSULT OTHERS BASED ON THEIR GENERAL INTERESTS! WHAT A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS! I'M SO MUCH BETTER THAN THEM BECAUSE I HAVE MANLY INTERESTS LIKE RAP AND GEARS OF WAR!"



Thank you! Somebody noticed!

I got fed up of being called an activist just because he was a fat-headed, sexist pig.

[Applejack]

Thank you! Somebody noticed!

I got fed up of being called an activist just because he was a fat-headed, sexist pig.

I noticed. I was going to tell him off but the topic was closed before I could.

And to think, both Dave and Chance/Whoop were decent members. I guess they couldn't adapt to a forum where people had different opinion than them or something.

[Lancet Jades]

I noticed. I was going to tell him off but the topic was closed before I could.

And to think, both Dave and Chance/Whoop were decent members. I guess they couldn't adapt to a forum where people had different opinion than them or something.
It might be because we have a more active userbase consisting of more people that like stuff like RPGs and Anime than CE did.

[king kuppy]

good to see them go, anyone think we will see one of them back?

[Applejack]

It might be because we have a more active userbase consisting of more people that like stuff like RPGs and Anime than CE did.


Considering I was the sole anime fan on CE. >.>

[Setzophone]

I don't really have any strong opinion to express as to what happened with Dave... but I trust that Lades made the decision that was best for the site as a whole.

[T1000416]

It was only a matter of time 'til this happened.

[Dark Marmosett]

good to see them go, anyone think we will see one of them back?
FUCK NO!

I noticed. I was going to tell him off but the topic was closed before I could.

And to think, both Dave and Chance/Whoop were decent members. I guess they couldn't adapt to a forum where people had different opinion than them or something.
Dave used to be a good member here to a long time ago when EF was still young surprisingly before he moved to another forum.

And I, myself was afraid to even reply to posts cause with him and dave going at people at the same time I don't believe I'd stand a chance going at a verbal argument with two guys who try to take everything you say and make it wrong. -.-

[Miles]

They were suffering from a severe case of douche baggery, as it were.

I've been waiting so long to say that. *Claps*

[Kaffee]

that's funny Holly, LOL, I didn't like chance from the beginning, Dave I really never had a problem with until recently anyway.

[Night]

I thought it was fun fighting with Chance. I never really did have a problem with Dave.

It's gonna be nice being the only troll again, though.

By the way, this is one of the funniest turns of events I've ever seen online.

[Kurbee]

Meh, I must not pay attention, because I don't even know what happened. [recently]

But I guess it was for the best.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

And to think, both Dave and Chance/Whoop were decent members. I guess they couldn't adapt to a forum where people had different opinion than them or something.Dave fit in fine here for years until GC closed. It looked to me like it was just Chance's "internet gangsta" influence that turned him into a wanton troll.

Considering I was the sole anime fan on CE. >.>I can think of a couple. I left like a week after you joined, though, so I don't know if they were still active.

It's gonna be nice being the only troll again, though.I like to think I do my part. You know, for the children.

By the way, this is one of the funniest turns of events I've ever seen online.You never saw GC, then. :chuckle

[Applejack]

I can think of a couple. I left like a week after you joined, though, so I don't know if they were still active.




If they were I never saw them and they never posted in my topics about anime. And I made quite a few.

[Irving1992]

What a fucking shame... I blame this whole ordeal on the closing of Chaos Element.

Considering I was the sole anime fan on CE. >.>

You forget that Joachim Armster was a huge anime fan?



Oh... and I forgot. Here, all censors are shut off, giving big-time swearers total freedom of speech. And I think Dave and Chance knew this, and took advantage of this. Back at CE, all what I call "High Level Swears" were completely censored to the point where it just wasn't worth it to swear.

[Dark Luther]

They were suffering from a severe case of douche baggery, as it were.

I've been waiting so long to say that. *Claps*

Couldn't have said it better myself...


I can only presume most people here remember another fact of GC/CE...
It was the opposite of EF in the EF was quite open and accepting, and the prior was oppresive of those who are differant and very critical of persons who didn't follow a certain point of view.

[Altima]

I'm not sad to see them go as they hardly contributed to any topics and only made 1 line posts like STFU or this is stupid etc etc. They mainly liked to make themselves out to be gangstas or something but I know tht they probably really aren't.

If they are allowed to come back then I would accept them however even tho I may not like it as it wouldn't be my call to make anyway. If they could change in a few months or a year and they can prove that and contribute to the site with good responses to topics that actually add conversation and opinions to the topic or they create actual topics and not just spam junk then that would be wonderful.

I'm not sure if that is possible tho but who really knows.

[mldyxcore]

I like Chance and Dave as funny guys, if this was real life, i would've befriended them more than any of you guys.
Cept for Corey, haha.

But yeah, with them gone I have little motivation to post here.

[Jack The Ripper]

Dave's a fucking douchebag. I don't even know what happened but I'm glad he's gone. At CE all he did was go on power trips and warn me for no reason. Fuck him.

[Applejack]

You forget that Joachim Armster was a huge anime fan?





I did, seeing as how he never really gave me any reason to think that he was.

[Bloozilla]

I am glad they are gone. Dave and Chance did nothing but shit up EF as a whole and driving members such as myself away from the forums.
I like Chance and Dave as funny guys, if this was real life, i would've befriended them more than any of you guys.
Cept for Corey, haha.
I'll just step in and say this; this forum is pretty much real life, it's just though a different medium. While you're not seeing all of us in person, you're still talking to real people. However, think what you may.

[mldyxcore]

Mhmm...
You may be talking to real people through the internet,
but its different than having a real conversation with someone
because of restrictions on what you can and can't say
and the fact you have to contribute to the topic.
You can't just post a one-liner, no matter HOW funny it is.
If it has nothing to do with the topic,
don't post in the thread.
If this concept is unappealing,
don't post on a forum.

I'm contemplaiting leaving if that isn't apparent already, hahaha.

[Miles]

I'm with Bloo. Which is why I like EF best of all. We treat each other with respect and act as we would if we were face to face in the flesh.

I'm very happy to be part of such a family.


I don't believe we have many restrictions. There's plenty of places for us to have casual conversations. PM's being one of them...We had a chat room some time ago...But a lot of us talk through IM when not at EF, anyways.

I often forget that I'm typing instead of talking...I'm the kinda person that will say "Are you listening?" instead of "Are you reading what I typed there?" and "Did you hear me?"

I don't believe that "real" means that something has to be right in front of your eyes for it to mean something.

[Applejack]

Mhmm...
You may be talking to real people through the internet,
but its different than having a real conversation with someone
because of restrictions on what you can and can't say
and the fact you have to contribute to the topic.
You can't just post a one-liner, no matter HOW funny it is.
If it has nothing to do with the topic,
don't post in the thread.
If this concept is unappealing,
don't post on a forum.

I'm contemplaiting leaving if that isn't apparent already, hahaha.


Considering you only stayed thus far, or at least that's what I gather, BECAUSE of Chance and Dave and not because you enjoyed the topics of discussion, I wonder why you decided to join in the first place.

[mldyxcore]

Ugh.

Assumptions assumptions...

I was here longer than you...
I think. lol.
And longer than you at CE, back when it was GC, with Dave, who was a cool guy back then.

The first time I joined,
I lost it and flamed everyone,
then left.

Rejoined, enjoyed the topics (I don't see why you think I don't enjoy them. Why would I post in them if I don't enjoy them?)
and see a buddy of mine get banned. It's disenchanting.

[Lancet Jades]

Ugh.

Assumptions assumptions...

I was here longer than you...
I think. lol.
And longer than you at CE, back when it was GC, with Dave, who was a cool guy back then.

The first time I joined,
I lost it and flamed everyone,
then left.

Rejoined, enjoyed the topics (I don't see why you think I don't enjoy them. Why would I post in them if I don't enjoy them?)
and see a buddy of mine get banned. It's disenchanting.
A buddy who didn't fit in, refused to try and fit in, and generally dragged the site's quality down.

I can understand why you wouldn't be "happy" about seeing a friend banned, but considering how they acted here, it's probly for the better, for both us and them.

[Applejack]

Ugh.

Assumptions assumptions...

I was here longer than you...
I think. lol.
And longer than you at CE, back when it was GC, with Dave, who was a cool guy back then.

The first time I joined,
I lost it and flamed everyone,
then left.

Rejoined, enjoyed the topics (I don't see why you think I don't enjoy them. Why would I post in them if I don't enjoy them?)
and see a buddy of mine get banned. It's disenchanting.


Don't pull the seniority card. It means nothing, seeing as how even newer people could be remembered better than older members. I only said what I said based on what I read in your initial post and subsequent posting. I didn't know that required investigation to your posting background.

If you'll investigate my posting background on EF and CE, you'll know that I did like Dave and Chance as posters. But then Chance started acting like a douche and turning topics way off track (See Irving's topic on "The Kingdom" for recent evidence) and Dave followed suite and together they were like the Batman and Robin of asshattery. And it was wearing thin.

Just because I once enjoyed their posts doesn't mean I can't suddenly grow tired of their antics. And I, along with many others, grew tired. If they would've acted a bit more, I don't know, orderly, then nothing would've happened. But something drove the two of them to being asses and they got their comeuppance.

[mldyxcore]

A buddy who didn't fit in, refused to try and fit in, and generally dragged the site's quality down.

I can understand why you wouldn't be "happy" about seeing a friend banned, but considering how they acted here, it's probly for the better, for both us and them. You're right dude. I'll miss 'em, but they weren't meant for Evermore. I might not be either, but whatever.

And droog,
I didn't mean to pull any cards. You asked why I joined, and the answer is
I was bored.
I'm not in love with Chance and Dave and post at the forums they do.

[Kaffee]

So far bro, you okay with me, I would hate to see you leave cause of all this ugliness, but its understandable to be disenchanted when you see your friends banned, but they acted out of bounds, maybe that's how they are, but they should've showed some respect and decency. This site is by no means a dictatorship, we are free to state our opinions and all, but when some calls you a faggot/dumbass/bitch/fatass/loser, well people tend to react like you saw. Chance and Dave attacked people for what they liked, just because someone likes anime, it doesn't make them a target. Same goes for RPG's and games in general. They should've made an effort to accept the topics here, nobody was asking them to bash them for what they like. Hell, I liked Dave for the longest cause he posted in my movie threads and such, but then all of sudden he got together with Chance and strarted bashing everything and everybody.

Okay I'm done. Its just an old man's opinion anyway.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

I'll just step in and say this; this forum is pretty much real life, it's just though a different medium. While you're not seeing all of us in person, you're still talking to real people. However, think what you may.But it is a different medium, so people that are fun to talk to online can be horrible to hang with in "real life" and vice versa. In that sense he's right: Dave, at least, seems like a cool guy who just took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

[Night]

Indeed, you're dealing with real people on the internet, but you're in a setting where things matter less, your actions have more or less no reprecussions.

[Dark Luther]

The thing is, I briefly remember dave at CE, and never had a problem with him...
Generally didn't have a problem with anyone there - but of course it was a differant forum, which I personally didn't like the atmosphere of.

On this matter, I think he was being rude, and when it was pointed out he became insulted and became even more insulting...
The lack of concept behind this was probably he didn't care for EF and thus did it in a way where he didn't mind if he was kicked out...,
as several of his posts had shown...


I've noticed people who don't wish to stay rather state they will probably be leaving, and just leave like proper mature persons...
and some do it in a destructive, attention gathering way, by insulting and trolling until they are removed...
I hold no respect for such persons even when they are ( and most commonly are of ) a young age...
such was the case here...

[Setzophone]

Considering you only stayed thus far, or at least that's what I gather, BECAUSE of Chance and Dave and not because you enjoyed the topics of discussion, I wonder why you decided to join in the first place.

Actually, he was talking to me on messenger one night when he told me he had thought he'd give this place another shot.

[Travisblaze]

Well, thanks for clearing some stuff up but I still stick by my guns, anybody can be forgiven for anything and if Dave decides to come back in a humble manner, I say we should welcome him with arms wide open, that is all.

[Applejack]

Well, thanks for clearing some stuff up but I still stick by my guns, anybody can be forgiven for anything and if Dave decides to come back in a humble manner, I say we should welcome him with arms wide open, that is all.

That's a pretty big if.

[Miles]

I don't know why he would want to come back x.x since he was saying constantly how he didn't like it here and was going to leave.

I do think that people can be forgiven. Not for ANYTHING, mind you. There are limits. But for being a verbal pain in the backside...Sure, it's not unforgivable but at the same time...I think he's being influenced to act the way he is, so until that influence is gone...I don't think he's going to want to do anything in a "humble manner". It's a shame, really.

[Kaffee]

I'm all for forgiving someone and giving second chances, but he didn't seem like he like it here anymore. Which is a shame cause I liked talking movies with him.

[Night]

Well everybody let Kal apologize, and he fucked around much more than Dave, so if he ever wants, I don't see why Dave can't apologize.

[Lancet Jades]

Well everybody let Kal apologize, and he fucked around much more than Dave, so if he ever wants, I don't see why Dave can't apologize.
Well, as with Kal, Dave coming back to apologize, and actually being allowed back to post are two different things.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Well, as with Kal, Dave coming back to apologize, and actually being allowed back to post are two different things.Altima's still here.

[Kaffee]

And he's been a good boy, so far.

[Altima]

Well, as with Kal, Dave coming back to apologize, and actually being allowed back to post are two different things.

So you may unban him but only to let him write an apology? It seems a bit pointless as even if he apologizes the only true way to every do it and seem like it was with sincerity would be to allow him to post again and not just post an apology.

Altima's still here.

It is Kaoru now as my Altima name is gone....gone forever :(

[Dark Marmosett]

Altima's still here.
Yeah. A tragedy it is too.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

And he's been a good boy, so far.Comparatively speaking.

So you may unban him but only to let him write an apology? It seems a bit pointless as even if he apologizes the only true way to every do it and seem like it was with sincerity would be to allow him to post again and not just post an apology.That doesn't make sense. If someone's allowed back only for an apology, and they're told from the start that there's no way they'll be coming back aside from that, then the only real reason for them to apologize is if they meant it. If they're told, however, that they can come back as soon as they apologize, then the apology just becomes a means to an end.

...not that I'm suggesting policy. But everyone should already know that.

[Lancet Jades]

Comparatively speaking.

That doesn't make sense. If someone's allowed back only for an apology, and they're told from the start that there's no way they'll be coming back aside from that, then the only real reason for them to apologize is if they meant it. If they're told, however, that they can come back as soon as they apologize, then the apology just becomes a means to an end.

...not that I'm suggesting policy. But everyone should already know that.
Well, that's why I let Kal apologize. As far as I could tell, he really meant it, and didn't give me, or others, reason to doubt that. He still did so despite the fact that he wouldn't be allowed back for a while.

I'm not about to create a "apologize and you're allowed back" policy >.>

[Kaffee]

and why should you, what you say should be law. Its your site and you deserve respect. I respect you, not kissing you ass here, but I'm the type that follows the rules, to some extent anyway. I've been guilty of breaking minor rules maybe, but I've never felt the need to be disrespectable towards you or anyone else on this site.

Its like you said one time, when somebody else, other than you, starts footing the bill for this site, then they could possibly have a say in such matters, no questions asked. Besides you been more than fair with anyone who has stepped out bounds.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Well, that's why I let Kal apologize. As far as I could tell, he really meant it, and didn't give me, or others, reason to doubt that. He still did so despite the fact that he wouldn't be allowed back for a while.for a while.You are such a bleeding heart, you know that? :chuckle

[The Deity]

It's gonna be nice being the only troll again, though.


...

Yeah. A tragedy it is too.

Good to see your Lades name is truly fitting you.

[Dark Marmosett]

...



Good to see your Lades name is truly fitting you.
Well I do in fact hate kaoru's guts even IF i didn't have this name. He's aggravated me enough with certain subjects that I WILL NOT tolerate at all.

[Night]

No, if you didn't tolerate them AT ALL then you wouldn't be on this site anymore.

[Nickelback]

Well I do in fact hate kaoru's guts even IF i didn't have this name. He's aggravated me enough with certain subjects that I WILL NOT tolerate at all.

Shut the fuck up. I'm tired of you bitching constantly about Kaoru over MSN and even here. I know you're being a complete pussy faggot by saying you can't tolerate it, because obviously, as Mal had pointed out, you're still here.

Stop pretending like you care, because you obviously don't, you are just using Kaoru as some pathetic bitching point to draw attention to yourself. All I hear you do is go 'GOD I HATE KAORU' every fucking day in one way or another.

I'm seriously getting fucking tired of it, and if you can't take it, seriously do us all a favor and leave. Otherwise, please shut up about it, I'm tired of hearing it.

[Kaffee]

whoa, holy crap. Okay, maybe we need this thread closed, I think its getting way past its usefullness.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

whoa, holy crap. Okay, maybe we need this thread closed, I think its getting way past its usefullness.What use does a Gates thread have, if not for airing conflict that would be out of place on the rest of the forum?

[Kaffee]

true, but I see no reason to continue a thread when the one started it has clearly been satisfied with the posts he has received, he stated that he objections was answered. If Nick and Gunny want to duke it out, with Karou in the middle somewhere then they should make a gates thread for that.

[Lancet Jades]

What use does a Gates thread have, if not for airing conflict that would be out of place on the rest of the forum?
Kaffee is right, though, if they really want to fight it out, they should make their own thread.

I'm gonna close this one, because it's served it's purpose, so if either Gunny or Nick wants to continue this particular argument, they're welcome to make their own.

I do this so a single thread doesn't go on for hundreds of posts and about 10 different topics, since I know how Gates threads tend to veer off into other disputes.