The biggest issue?

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What do you guys deem to be the most important issue in the world today? Would it be global warming? Human rights? Or maybe even AIDS?

[Kurbee]

Not AIDs. I Know that.

If anything, I think it would be Global Warming.

[Chicken Little]

The uselessness of the UN.

One giant pissing contest!

[Kaffee]

Global Warming I suppose, I hate the fact that my children may not have a planet for their grandchildren to live on.

[Dark Marmosett]

Its between global warming and illegal aliens here in the US....to me at least >.>

[Gamerlen]

For me its the GBLT rights movement and the "Marriage Protection" act. But being a bisexual in a same sex relationship probably helps that... >.>()

[jethro]

over here childhood obesity is an issue also

[Miles]

Global warming, I guess.

It ticks me off, though. I do my fair share to help the planet while so many other people don't care.
It's not like it's costing any time to put bottles and cans into a separate bin or reuse shopping bags instead of getting new ones every time you go to a store.

Although, personally...I think stores shouldn't supply you with shopping bags. I think you should be able to buy cheap, good looking bags that you can use for shopping and stuff. Like cloth bags that some places supply now.
If you have to pay for a bag every time you go shopping, you'll soon remember to reuse the old ones.

Charging a stupid price per plastic bag will go down good, too.

[Altima]

Global Warming

Child Obesity

Every problem being blamed on video games!

Illegal aliens taking jobs from US citizens simply because they work cheaper.

Social security

Life insurance

All kinds of insurance from your employers

Senior citizen care

I named a few that could be improved.

[Wallie Wildo]

definatly just people being douches for me the world needs to change in too many ways to name though

[The Deity]

Global warming is not our biggest issue...In the early 90s people were seriously worried about another ice age. Let's not ridiculous.

Let's look at poverty or something along those lines.

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A lot of scientists say that it's an imminent threat to human life, speculating that it could have dire effects within the next 50-100 years. Saw a documentary on it on the History channel. Does the fact that it's a danger to human existence, entirely, affect your opinion at all?

[Miles]

Wow...That soon o.o;

I mean, I understand that we'd only be slowing it down anyways but that's weird.
You know...I never thought about the threat to human life thing...As odd as that sounds. I was thinking more along the lines of "Those poor Polar Bears" ._. and baby seals...And those bigger, adult white seals~
I was more worried about the animals...

I never thought about >.> People being affected...Um...I need to think more.

[Gamerlen]

Not AIDs. I Know that.

If anything, I think it would be Global Warming.

Yeah. HIV is a problem, but its also one easily avoided assuming you either use protection (which thankfully I sell a lot of condoms at my job so I know people are at least smart enough to do that), get tested, or just opt to stay home and play with yourself.

Global Warming is a bigger issue, though believe it or not I think the current gas prices may actually help it. I was reading in the newspaper a while ago that a lot of people are actually cutting back on driving and travel to save money on gas, which means less car exhaust and less ozone depletion.

That and my customers personally tell me that they're cutting down so that they don't have to decide between gas and food (Incase you didn't hear, I work at a gas station).

The uselessness of the UN.

One giant pissing contest!

I can't speak for this one myself, I don't know that much about the United Nations. Though I think that anyone who's seen Pirates 3 will agree, thats not madness, its just politics! =P

Seriously, the UN is a great idea in theory, but I don't see how getting a bunch of people of different nationalities and beliefs in the same room would do much for world peace when a lot of them tend to really hate each other. Sad but true in a lot of cases.


Its between global warming and illegal aliens here in the US....to me at least >.>

Since I mentioned global warming earlier, I'm gonna point out a few things about illegal immigration.

See, here's the thing. It may be irritating to see a lot of guys entering the United States illegally, and its frustrating for me when I'm trying to help a customer that doesn't speak the same language as me, but lets consider something.

These guys come here because its impossable to get good jobs where they're from. They take the crappiest jobs, or get normal ones and usually get exploited by corrupt managers all in order to get what little money they can to send back to their families in their home country so they won't starve to death. Not to mention that most of the jobs they take are ones that no born and bred American would be willing to.

Picking fruit, cleaning sewers, janatorial work, Taco Bell, etc.

So yeah, they're taking all the crappy jobs at less than minimum wage that are essential for a lot of other businesses so no one else has to and so their poor families won't wind up drawing straws to see who winds up in the cooking pot so the rest don't die of starvation. Aren't they awful. -_-()

over here childhood obesity is an issue also

Heheh... Every time I hear about this I think of this one time when Tessa still worked at that Wendy's two towns over. She got a girl in there one day that was less than ten years old yet easily the largest out of both her parents. I'm talking 200+ lbs here for a kid who's age is still in the single digits.

Yeah it sucks for them, but the parents should at least be trying to do something about it. Get them into sports, get them some after school programs that involve fitness (Gymnastics, Martial Arts, etc), Hell get them a goddamn Wii (If you can find one)!

Seriously, these kids could grow up to have arthritic knees, weak hearts and lungs, bad backs, and all sorts of medical problems because of this. And they're kids, they're not going to take action for themselves. Hell I'd bet half the reason they eat so much is because the other kids at school make fun of them for being overweight so a psychologist wouldn't hurt either... Just no goddamn pills! >.>() I had that one tried on me myself. Not fun when you spend your childhood too high to remember most of it.

Every problem being blamed on video games!

Hear hear.

If you ask me video games have got to be the best stress relief in the world. If I couldn't come home after dealing with a bunch of drunken idiots (See my art thread) at my job and take out my agression on some digital monsters I'd probably have killed someone for real by now. o_o()

Illegal aliens taking jobs from US citizens simply because they work cheaper.

Oh yeah. Them damned mexicans are taking away all our dream jobs like working at Walmart, picking fruit, working at Taco Bell, cleaning out toilets and washing windows, mowing lawns...

Come on, if we didn't have illegal aliens to do those jobs they probably wouldn't be done. Well not so much Wally World and Taco Hell, but who on earth wants to make a living as a tolet bowl scrubber or doing backbreaking labor picking fruit?

Sure they're taking jobs, but these are jobs you'd be hard pressed to get a homeless guy with a "Will Work For Food" sign to agree to do. So whatever. I say they beat the system for a $3 an hour job that sucks, fuck it let 'em stay. When they start sneaking into the country and make it into the fortune 500 in under a month, then we can be bitchy.

definatly just people being douches for me the world needs to change in too many ways to name though

.... Wow, I can find nothing to take apart on this one. o_o

Let's look at poverty or something along those lines.

Yeah, with the current government outsourcing jobs and damaging the economy the gap between the upper and lower class is only going to get wider and wider until middle class families are a thing of the past. But thats all I'm going to say on that one, Tessa can explain that bit a lot better than I can.

A lot of scientists say that it's an imminent threat to human life, speculating that it could have dire effects within the next 50-100 years. Saw a documentary on it on the History channel. Does the fact that it's a danger to human existence, entirely, affect your opinion at all?

Yeah, thats probably true. But I don't see what can be done so long as Americans cling to their ways. I myself tend to only drive when I can't walk to somewhere but I'm well aware that most people aren't like that.

Of course around here people tend to listen to whatever the Bush Administration and Right Wing Talkshow Hosts like Limbaugh say, so its hard to get it through their skulls that its a serious issue. Especially in winter.

Average kentuckian: "Heck! Them libby boys are fulla shit. Lookit all dat snow! Global warmin mah fat ass!"

Me: "....." *trying my damndest to not scream*

You get the idea. -_-()

[Dark Marmosett]

Yes but theres over 12 million of them plus they are also going to our schools and going to our doctors without having real SS numbers. If a normal citizen was to have a fake one they'd be sniffed out instantly but them,....they can elude the gov't and barely get caught at all. Even kids at college....all they're speaking is spanish. They don't even know how to learn whats being taught in the class and so the schools are providing fucking people to do the translating for them and translated tests on paper. They're not even paying attention in class let alone passing it. WTF is what I can say. >.> At least its like that at my school. And you must be a democrat I'm guessing len? I would figure so.

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I mean, I understand that we'd only be slowing it down anyways but that's weird.
Well, when I did this science program over the summer, we had a presentation on a program that seeks to solve the problem fo Global Warming. The idea was to capture CO2 in the atomosphere, solidify it, and submerge it in oil drilled cavities in the Earth.

It could serve to slow down Global Warming, but only if life changes in the world. There's a big controversy over the rising star of China because they're putting up coal factories and such at a rapid rate and are likely to exceed America's rate of fuel consumption.

But the issue of global warming lies with the presence of CO2. So, Global Warming can be stopped, but it's very unlikely.

[Chicken Little]

I can't speak for this one myself, I don't know that much about the United Nations. Though I think that anyone who's seen Pirates 3 will agree, thats not madness, its just politics! =P

Seriously, the UN is a great idea in theory, but I don't see how getting a bunch of people of different nationalities and beliefs in the same room would do much for world peace when a lot of them tend to really hate each other. Sad but true in a lot of cases.


When you think about it, if they did more than just sit back and discuss writing angry letters telling how angry they were at a nation, or allowing those with Veto powers or prominent members to basically threaten action with their position 'Don't piss me off or so help me I'll veto you!' their mere presence would be enough to at least ask questions of would be extremists (this includes dictators and military officials as seen in I can't believe its not Fiji!) And issues could possibly get a better understanding and faster action since we are pooling the resources of numerous countries.

Since we don't and the UN instead just prance about like wankers sending small forces after everyone's either dead or running away for their lives, such potential for good is thwarted by their own dickery. This also encompasses most issues brought up in this thread so what do I win? :P

[Gamerlen]

Yes but theres over 12 million of them plus they are also going to our schools and going to our doctors without having real SS numbers.

Yeah, that sucks, and I'd be happier if they'd immigrated legally, but the government can't very well track down and boot out 12,000,000 people.

If a normal citizen was to have a fake one they'd be sniffed out instantly but them,....they can elude the gov't and barely get caught at all.

Yeah, but even if they do catch them and deport them then what? They'll just sneak back across the border.

Even kids at college....all they're speaking is spanish. They don't even know how to learn whats being taught in the class and so the schools are providing fucking people to do the translating for them and translated tests on paper.

So all illegal immigrants are from Mexico? Funny, that Egyptian guy I used to work with said he didn't have a green card either... >.>

Besides, just because they're from America doesn't mean they can speak English. I knew a woman of Greek heritage once. Born and raised on a farm in Oklahoma and had been a US citizen for the fourty-something years she'd been alive but had the thickest accent you'd ever heard and barely able to speak English.


They're not even paying attention in class let alone passing it.

Sounds like me in High School. I'm a legend at Scott now, living proof that you can get a diploma by sleeping through all your classes.

Yeah a lot of immigrants, legal and otherwise, don't really do it and still pass... but so do a lot of kids who were born in the states too.

And you must be a democrat I'm guessing len? I would figure so.

Woah, no need to say it with so much venom. And for the record, I'm not. I recognize that both sides are capable of coming up with good and bad ideas.

Republican's not so much at the moment since the Neo-Conservatives are firmly in control, but if we got some Republicans like they used to be back in the fourties and fifties we'd be in a lot better situation. Remember the Republican party used to stand for a lot more openminded thinking, hell Abraham Lincon was a Republican and we all know what he did, yet George Bush is pretty damn unlikely to help a Black guy unless there was something in it for him.

On the flip side the Democratic party has lost a lot of its prestege by being too cowardly to stand up to the Republicans during the months following 9/11 when the Bush Administration was milking it for all it was worth. Normally we'd have seen it for what it was, gross explotation of a national tragedy used to abuse presidential power and take away freedoms, but everyone was so terrified after the attack (myself included, I'm ashamed to admit) that we'd cling to whatever or whoever seemed capable of protecting us. Hence why we're in the current situation. The Dems had a lot of chances to stand up and point this out, but rarely did so.

So on the one hand we have the Republicans, Greedy war profiteers who would sell their own souls if the price was right, and Democrats, weak willed politicians who will only stand up to the opposition if there's little or no chance that it'll backfire on them.

If both parties could work together and put aside their greed and fear we could very well regain our old image in the world as a country that values liberty and justice, but thats seriously unlikely.

So no, I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican. I truly consider myself completely non-partisan but moderate is easier to grasp so thats what I say I am.

I would hope that answers your question on that Ironside, and in the future I'd thank you to not jump to conclusions like that.

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Just one last point I'd like to make by the way. Lets not forget that the only real Americans are the reminants of the tribes that we've got crowded up into reservations. My family has only been in the states for a little over a century, and I'm betting most of us are the same.

Sure we may bitch and moan about illegal immigration, but if you look back far enough, no one's family is really FROM America to begin with. I'm Hungarian, Tessa's familiy is Italian, one of my friends in Kentucky's family is mostly German, you see where I'm going with this.

Its all well and good to complain that every few days some guys from Mexico jump the fence, but if you ask me, we should make it simpler for them to become legal so that they don't feel like the only way to get into the country is illegally. If we didn't have them jumping through all the flaming hoops to get in, then illegal immigration would only be a minor problem, maybe four or five a month, if that.

Thanks for listening everyone, and I know this is politics, but lets try to keep it civil.

[Pinkie Pie]

Er, could we kinda not do the whole "bash x political party/figure here" deal? It has exceedingly little to do with the topic, at least in the current context.

[Night]

Not AIDs. I Know that.
But you don't know how to spell it.
illegal aliens here in the US....to me at least >.>
You don't even have a full time job for them to steal
Every problem being blamed on video games!
This is certainly the biggest issue facing the entire planet.
definatly just people being douches
And by naming "people being douches" as the biggest problem facing the planet, you've made the problem worse

And here we have the man who says that not being allowed to marry guys tops destruction of the planet on the "issue list" taking a sarcastic tone with the guy who doesn't capitalize words but hates that immigrants don't speak the language...
Where to start?!

So all illegal immigrants are from Mexico? Funny, that Egyptian guy I used to work with said he didn't have a green card either... >.>
Cut that shit out. When we say illegal immigrants, we mean Mexicans. Don't believe me?
working at Taco Bell
How many egyptians illegally work at Taco Bell? Or pick fruit? I'd dare say that illegals from places other than Mexico make up less than 1 million of the illegal population. We're talking like 11:1, and you're gonna say that it's unfair to make a generalization?

I also like how you know what jobs homeless people will and will not do, even though each person is homeless for different reasons, and is an individual... unless you're omnipotent and just didn't tell me.

Which brings us to your decision that it's the parent's job to get rid of childhood obesity, and your basic ridicule of it. You actually outline the problems childhood obesity brings in your post. How does that prove that it isn't a problem?

Seriously, the UN is a great idea in theory
Please, continue
but I don't see how getting a bunch of people of different nationalities and beliefs in the same room would do much for world peace when a lot of them tend to really hate each other. Sad but true in a lot of cases.
So basically what you've said is: The UN is a good idea, but I don't see how it would do much. Apparantly, the UN isn't such a good idea, to you at least.

And I'll end my post with the sweeping generalization technique that's so prevalent throughout both of yours. While you state that Americans will just cling to their ways and that illegal immigration is unfixable and neccesary, you fail to see that the "average kentuckian", who is, according to you, a dumbass backwoods redneck, will only hate you for it. Why the fuck should who you're able to marry be more important to all these stuck-in-the-rut assholes[sic] than issues that affect more than people's feelings? How does Steve's inability to marry Joe affect anybody at all, compared to undocumented immigration (which is a serious economic drain, regardless of whatever you may baselessly think), global warming, the malfunction of the organization in charge of world peace, or an uncurable epidemic?

Speaking of which, not everybody can get condoms, not everybody is as informed as you and me, and there is a negative stigma attached to condoms in certain places. Sex isn't the only way to get AIDS though. At least act like you know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Baka]

i dont know about the biggest issue in the world right now but i'd say god damn gas prices are a pain in the balls. i have to fill my tank every 3 days which cost me like 40 bucks just for 12gallons. Considering i do have to drive a lot to get to my fire house and sometimes travel to other fire houses to work but still. Damn city don't pay my gas or anything for me car which sucks.

Another thing that'll suck which is for the US is Social Security. All you youngin's are gonna get screwed b/c the Baby Boomers are retiring soon and will probably eat up the majority of SS. It's not that big of an issue at the moment but when all you guys reach your 60's you'll understand. And god only knows what's gonna happen with inflation in this country. Cost of living is going up and those who were in the middle class are starting to find themselves in the lower class. making a 50k salary is just barely getting some people by. A lot of people now or days are making close to 6 figures.

[Pinkie Pie]

Jesus Christ, Mal...

I know you're, well, you, and all, but erm, chill a bit? This isn't the Gates.

I also like how you know what jobs homeless people will and will not do, even though each person is homeless for different reasons, and is an individual... unless you're omnipotent and just didn't tell me.

Agreed. Having actually been there myself, I know from experience that, though there are people who are content with living off of shelters, there are at least an equal number of people looking to get out of their situation, taking whatever work they need to in order to survive. The idea that "Americans won't do x or y jobs!" as a blanket argument for illegal immigration is mistaken.

Why the fuck should who you're able to marry be more important to all these stuck-in-the-rut assholes[sic] than issues that affect more than people's feelings? How does Steve's inability to marry Joe affect anybody at all, compared to undocumented immigration (which is a serious economic drain, regardless of whatever you may baselessly think), global warming, the malfunction of the organization in charge of world peace, or an uncurable epidemic?

Though my attitude towards the same-sex marriage dealie is known, I agree that it hardly ranks as "the biggest issue" in the face of other, far more pressing ones. It's an important civil-rights battle that may or may not be fought sometime down the line, at least in my opinion, but it's not a vital issue facing the world, which is the kind of thing that is being asked for.

[Nickelback]

Religion.

[Lancet Jades]

Religion.
In what way?

[Nickelback]

In what way?
Religion has been a cause of trouble and problems for the entire world since day one. Indeed, it's not unlike anything else nowadays in terms of what you believe in, which, depending on how you look at it, is the exact same thing.

The Crusades is a good example of such. And even today it still is going on, because of just that. Now, call me close minded if you wish, but that is, how I perceive it, the source of most of the world's current problems.

And I'm not just talking about bloody and needless battles. It is also controlling people's lives on the home front in ways that most cannot imagine, influencing their choices, sometimes even blurring the line between what's right and what they think they should do according to gain the favor of a higher power.

Of course, as this is such a touchy subject, I could easily get shot down by counter arguments on anything I've said, and vice versa. However, I do believe that it is the major concern of the world today.

[Gamerlen]

WOAH! *dodges the blast of flames from Mal* Jeebus... o_o() That singed my hair...

Okay, I could reply to that, but I think I won't. I don't want to be responsible for turning this thread into a flame war. I'll just agree to disagree on this one Mal.

Gotta say though, I'm kinda the same way on Religion as Rex there. I see them as a source of a lot of problems, but I can also see how they'd be a major source of happiness and support for some people. My best friend is Catholic, and my mom is Christian.
Oh well... Wastin space here, think I'll sit the rest of this thread out. Don't feel like getting set on fire again. o_o()

[Dark Marmosett]

You don't even have a full time job for them to steal

Dude. You suck. The way things are going mal. Barely anyone is going to have a job. Jobs are leaving our own country and going over to others such as Mexico for instance. And yet they come here to try and take jobs here as well when indeed our jobs go to their country. My fathers line of work is also badly leaving the united states and is now all moving over into europe and down to mexico. >.> ATM we don't even have a thousand fucking dollars in our checking account to pay bills and all. And with all what we have to pay for its quite a low amount for us and thats not good. From my point of view dude is that all the illegal immigrants and jobs moving elsewhere is a big issue for me and my family so whatever.

[[PhiberOpticks]]

Religion has been a cause of trouble and problems for the entire world since day one. Indeed, it's not unlike anything else nowadays in terms of what you believe in, which, depending on how you look at it, is the exact same thing.
I think "beliefs" is a better word. But anyways, you could consider it to be more of a motivation. It's not like all arguments occur over which doctrine is better and then they just get up and start yelling death threats and whip out guns. Usually the case is that the problem at hand originates with things such as resources and then religion is taken as a motivational tool to enlist supporters. But I believe the Crusades are a huge exception.
It is also controlling people's lives on the home front in ways that most cannot imagine, influencing their choices, sometimes even blurring the line between what's right and what they think they should do according to gain the favor of a higher power.
So, you're saying that religion is bad and that any religions answers to situations cannot be considered right. And that doesn't make sense. By that logic, you're saying that murder is good because the Bible says its bad.
Barely anyone is going to have a job. Jobs are leaving our own country and going over to others such as Mexico for instance.
But how would these businesses market to people who don't have jobs?

[Chicken Little]

']I think "beliefs" is a better word. But anyways, you could consider it to be more of a motivation. It's not like all arguments occur over which doctrine is better and then they just get up and start yelling death threats and whip out guns. Usually the case is that the problem at hand originates with things such as resources and then religion is taken as a motivational tool to enlist supporters. But I believe the Crusades are a huge exception.

Beliefs is that which a person has upon any given subject;

It is my belief God is fake
It is my belief that the tooth fairy is real
It is my belief a sandwich will appear in my hand through the power of psychokinesis

Religion, is the organisation and 'use' of beliefs to 'enforce' an ideal among the people;

If you sin you are going to hell
If you blow yourself up you're getting 40 virgins
If you're a king and there's a flood you're the reason your kingdom got flooded.
OMG Gehenna / Apocalypse / Judgement Day!

So, you're saying that religion is bad and that any religions answers to situations cannot be considered right. And that doesn't make sense. By that logic, you're saying that murder is good because the Bible says its bad.

This would be where common sense comes into play as to what is right or wrong, since it is the entirety of societies 'belief' the murder is wrong despite what any book or divine entity might or might not have said / written. Think back as long as mankind has had the means with which to war and the reasons for it, in the majority of conflicts it was backed with organised religion (classic well known example being the Crusades with the Church v Islam)

If one intends to say that the ever looming pretences to war is the biggest problem, religion cannot be excluded, beliefs can.

[Lancet Jades]

Religion has been a cause of trouble and problems for the entire world since day one. Indeed, it's not unlike anything else nowadays in terms of what you believe in, which, depending on how you look at it, is the exact same thing.

The Crusades is a good example of such. And even today it still is going on, because of just that. Now, call me close minded if you wish, but that is, how I perceive it, the source of most of the world's current problems.

And I'm not just talking about bloody and needless battles. It is also controlling people's lives on the home front in ways that most cannot imagine, influencing their choices, sometimes even blurring the line between what's right and what they think they should do according to gain the favor of a higher power.

Of course, as this is such a touchy subject, I could easily get shot down by counter arguments on anything I've said, and vice versa. However, I do believe that it is the major concern of the world today.
The biggest problem with that reasoning is that how often is the religion itself (i.e., Christianity, the belief in God and Jesus, and how Jesus died for our sins, and blah blah blah) truly to blame for what people do in its name?

True, a lot of atrocities have been comitted in the name of religion, but do you really think the people behind it at the highest levels were really doing it for the sake of their god, and because they honestly believed it was right? This is an even more important point nowadays then in earlier times, considering things like terrorism, the various problems this country has with Christians, and so on.

Just bear in mind that there's a difference between the religion itself, and those who control the organization thereof. I think more often than not, those at the highest levels of such things are merely using religion as a tool for control of the masses, rather than because they believe what they are doing is truly right.

That doesn't make religion bad in and of itself, and in addition, requires holding those who manipulate the faithful responsible, just like you would anyone else. Of course, you could blame religion for allowing such mass corrupting of the populace, but the same logic could be applied to any organization at all.

If nothing else, reserve your indictment for mass ORGANIZED religion, and not religion in general.

[The Deity]

The Crusades is a good example of such. And even today it still is going on, because of just that. Now, call me close minded if you wish, but that is, how I perceive it, the source of most of the world's current problems.

We are talking about current problems though, any more recent examples say past the Renaissance?

And I'm not just talking about bloody and needless battles. It is also controlling people's lives on the home front in ways that most cannot imagine, influencing their choices, sometimes even blurring the line between what's right and what they think they should do according to gain the favor of a higher power.

Imagine the belief that one's actions will lead them to salvation or damnation causing someone to act different. Oh the humanity!

WOAH! *dodges the blast of flames from Mal* Jeebus... o_o() That singed my hair...

Oh please they weren't flames. He was harsh, but he called you out on your stances.

Okay, I could reply to that, but I think I won't. I don't want to be responsible for turning this thread into a flame war. I'll just agree to disagree on this one Mal.

Again, not flaming and I honestly would find it much of a stretch to even call it trolling.


Gotta say though, I'm kinda the same way on Religion as Rex there. I see them as a source of a lot of problems, but I can also see how they'd be a major source of happiness and support for some people. My best friend is Catholic, and my mom is Christian.

I find it hard to take away a solid stance here.

Oh well... Wastin space here, think I'll sit the rest of this thread out. Don't feel like getting set on fire again. o_o()

You were not set on fire. Just called out, significant difference.

[Chicken Little]

We are talking about current problems though, any more recent examples say past the Renaissance?

While I don't overly support his view, the various terrorist factions which the 'coalition' are attempting to stamp out in the middle east are predominantly fundamentalist extremists, as they have and continue to wage a Jihad. A Jihad, as we know is a religious war using religious values to prop up ones campaign, and while this isn't the sole reason for the wars as they stand, they still comprise part of the many reasons.

The skirmishes in Africa with the overlying concept of the 'capitalists' being the good guys and the 'communists' being the evil guys used Christian missionaries (capitalist) to spread certain influences over the orthodox church (communist) And prior to the Russian revolutiion, the Orthodox Church had various influence within the Russian autocracy during WW1.

The point could be countered with the amount of influence they have during war time in recent times, but not that they haven't had a part since the Renaissance.

[Altima]

Dude. You suck. The way things are going mal. Barely anyone is going to have a job. Jobs are leaving our own country and going over to others such as Mexico for instance.

That is true as most of our automobiles are made out of the US and a lot of other companies do the same thing to save money.

[Dark Luther]

The continued interferance into rogue states and causing further trouble that will escalate in the future - causing the seeds for future conflict.

Iraq is an obvious example - in which we are literally breeding a new generation of combatants and radicals who will fight agaisnt the US.

Another is the issues of diesease - in which we are at the moment discussing and witnessing very dangerous diseases that have to potential to cause epedemics.
It is fortunate that we have the systems to control it -
but the danger of a breakout is further than simply contracting it -
we also are in danger of the resulting economic meltdown.


Personally - I've also been quite aware of the global warming issue - living in the South Florida coast.
A rise in sea level is very dangerous - and not unheard of.

Several hurricanes have hit me already - and I still remember the flooding that resulted from some of them, and stories of what happened in the past...

Now add the worlds current climate...

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Dude. You suck. The way things are going mal. Barely anyone is going to have a job. Jobs are leaving our own country and going over to others such as Mexico for instance.If jobs were going to Mexico, would they be coming here for ours? Think about it. There is serious outsourcing, but it's disconnected from illegal immigration.
By the way, No, you suck.

Gamerlen, you have succesfully dodged every counterpoint by writing me off because I was a little harsh. Good job.

(I hadda revive this thread, I missed so many posts)

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We are talking about current problems though, any more recent examples say past the Renaissance?

Well, the Crusades are a collective explanation for why Muslims hate whitey. I think Britain is most responsible for the condition of the Middle East, not to mention other reasons.

The skirmishes in Africa with the overlying concept of the 'capitalists' being the good guys and the 'communists' being the evil guys used Christian missionaries (capitalist) to spread certain influences over the orthodox church (communist) And prior to the Russian revolutiion, the Orthodox Church had various influence within the Russian autocracy during WW1.

Are you implying that Jesus is on the payroll? Well, screw you man.

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Are you implying that Jesus is on the payroll? Well, screw you man.

Yay thread revival!

The implied concept was that within mankinds 'desire' to wage war there have always been those on the side of religion in either corner doing what they can to stamp the other out despite the other concepts which surrounded the conflict.

it is fact that current Christians and Catholics hold meetings to attempt total world evangelism, in which all other religion is wiped out and their religion is the dominant one through the use of missionary work. So yes, Jesus is on the payroll because his followers have put him there to further their own ambitions.

Lausanne Committee for World Evangelism (www.lausanne.org/)

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it is fact that current Christians and Catholics hold meetings to attempt total world evangelism, in which all other religion is wiped out and their religion is the dominant one through the use of missionary work. So yes, Jesus is on the payroll because his followers have put him there to further their own ambitions.

Did you know that Fundamentalist Muslims are basically attempting to do the same thing? Watch some interviews with a guy named Omar Brooks. An extremist Muslim in Britain. Basically, he preaches, either follow our doctrine, or we will kill you.

At least Evangelists make an attempt to teach children to read. I prefer books over bombs.