Music Piracy

[cid]

Mostly music piracy because thats the biggest thing

my personal view as an inspiring artist is that, i have no problem with it, p2p programs, torrents whatever, if i can spread my music thats all i care about. it depends on the artists the ones that are in it for the money care about it, but personally i'm in it for the music and the more spread the better

besides buying the cd nowadays bands are getting screwed, rarely do most get more than like a dollar for every album, but it depends

what are your views?

[Kaffee]

I never really saw anything aroung with it per say, but I can understand some up and coming band having a problem with it. They my not be it for the money, which I doubt, but for some its a matter of getting paid. I've not down to much or very little downloading. Its not my thing really.

[king kuppy]

I think it's good, it gets the bands more publicity.

[The Deity]

As an artist it would piss me off. Sure, there's more publicity, but ultimately they want to make money too or they'd undersell people with cheaper CDs.

[cid]

see but i am an artist, and it really depends personally i'm in it for the music and the fun, i don't care about money, though i guess it would be nice, but i'd take the publicity over money anyday

[Seraph Zero]

I think it's good, it gets the bands more publicity.
Agreed. Also, the record companies make too much of a profit out of the artists they sign... The main revenue for bands ultimately comes through touring. Record sales factor in, but it's a much smaller net than ticket sales.

~Seraph

[The Deity]

see but i am an artist, and it really depends personally i'm in it for the music and the fun, i don't care about money, though i guess it would be nice, but i'd take the publicity over money anyday

You're hardly a profesional musician though, you're a kid with a dream. Not that I'm trying to crush your dreams, but you're not living off your music.

That's an artist Deity. Someone who doesn't care for profit, just someone who likes to make music and wants people to hear his music.

I hardly find not desiring to make profit a requirement for being an artist. Sure, artists should love what they do, but I don't think that a millionaire artist is less of one because he makes money.

[Kurbee]

I think music piracy helps CD sales, actually...

Many people like to hear the CD's before they buy them to make sure they are actually worth it...I know I am one of the people that will download a CD and then listen to it and then buy it if I like it enough.

[The Deity]

I think music piracy helps CD sales, actually...

Many people like to hear the CD's before they buy them to make sure they are actually worth it...I know I am one of the people that will download a CD and then listen to it and then buy it if I like it enough.

Blank CDs are cheaper...

[Seraph Zero]

Blank CDs are cheaper...
Yes, but there's something o be said for having the actual hardcopy of an album. Countless times, I've downloaded songs from an album to decide whether it's worth the money, then gone out within a week or two to buy the actual album itself.

~Seraph

[cid]

You're hardly a profesional musician though, you're a kid with a dream. Not that I'm trying to crush your dreams, but you're not living off your music.

not...really...much of a dream anymore? you don't know my dream...my dream was to play music, to play good music that people like, i don't care about fame or fortune

if i did...would'i've refused a record deal? let alone it was a shitty deal...but...most high school bands would kill to have even the shittiest of record deals, im happy where i am, i don't need money

[The Deity]

if i did...would'i've refused a record deal? let alone it was a shitty deal...but...most high school bands would kill to have even the shittiest of record deals, im happy where i am, i don't need money

Well if you don't even desire a record deal, I don't think you hold ground as a musician having no problem with people dling your music and not buying your CDs if you're not going to make CDs.

See it this way, would you ask for, let alone buy a pirate copy of a Breaking Benjamin CD?

I didn't buy one, I downloaded the songs. I don't need a CD, my Ipod owns my music life.

[Zelphiel]

honestly in the earlier stages of a band's existance people downloading your music will do you way more good than bad. even if you did get signed to a label the only money aside from a small royalty you'd ever see would be what you make when you go on tour (which greatly consists of your on site merchandise sales). just take my word for it.

[Setzophone]

Yeah, I think pirating music lets a person sample music before they actually spend the money to buy the album. Zelphiel recommended Into Eternity to me, so I downloaded a few songs off the album he suggested, liked the songs, and bought the album. It makes more sense to sample music than it does to spend out the ass for it. Ah, the post was redundant, sorry.

[The Deity]

If you really like Breaking Benjamin, you should at least promote their work: buy it in iTunes, or dwnl a song and buy the CD. That's what I did: I dwnl the Dairy when it was back online and, when it came out, I buyed the CD. After all, it was only 10 bucks...

Oh, and by the mere excuse you own an iPod doesn't hide the fact that you're promoting piracy. I own an iPod, too. I own all the Break Ben CDs,a nd I only put the ones I liked on my iPod.

Yeah well, why spend money on something when I can get it for free. I spend plenty of time telling people about BB, you being one of them. I don't buy CDs because I don't have to. If there are actual steps taken to stop me from dling songs, then I will. I also gamble online, which is illegal and play poker online, which is illegal.

Just like the gambling sites, the p2p sites are overseas.

[The Deity]

Yes, but we're not referring to gambling or other illegal activities.

Its all the same to me.

Y'see, you SAY you're a Breaking Benjamin fan, yet refuse to buy their work. What kind of a fan you are? I mean, if you refuse to buy an artist's work, you can't call yourself a fan of that artist, becuse word promoting isn't enough. Downloading songs over the internet SHOULD make you look forward to an artist's work, therefore, buying it, NOT keep it for yourself and NOT looking forward to the CD that contains that song you downloaded and the other songs.

Well I could easily make this point, how many Breaking Benjamin concerts have you been to? None? I've been to three. How many Breaking Benjamin shirts do you own? I own two. Just because I don't buy their CDs, it doesn't mean I'm not buying they're products. Music downloads are not intended to make you more interested, they're to get me more music to listen to. How many people are fans of people like Thomas Kinkade but haven't spent a dime on one of his paintings, but own a calender in their house. I'm on a budget, I don't need to buy the CD, I don't.

Oh, and about legal action against song downloaders through the net? The government can't do that. The files shared over P2P programs are property of the user of the P2P program. And the government can't question if he/she got that legally or illegally...can it? However, the government CAN take actions to those who download movies illegally over the net.
Which is my point.

[The Deity]

I think you know better than anybody else that, where I'm from, BB won't give a concert. Not for the moment, that is. Still, I support then in any way I can, therefore, buying their CDs is the closest I can get for support. If there were BB t-shirts over at the local Hot Topic store I would buy them, because I care for the band's success. Not because I know Ben personally, it's because I like the music he and his band makes. That's all.

I highly doubt Breaking Benjamin will ignore a section of the country.

As for that whole music downloading thing, that's another acceptable point, but have you actually bought a CD that contained a song that you downloaded, say, 3 weeks ago? I could give out an example, but I'll wait your reply.

I haven't bought a CD in years. Just because I don't buy their CDs it doesn't mean I don't appreciate artists. I've not purchased an "i-tune" either.