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Cherubim1324
08-27-2006, 12:49 AM
Can the Mac Counter Windows Vista? (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=620&e=12&u=/nf/20060825/bs_nf/45705)

Elizabeth Millard, newsfactor.com (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/nf/bs_nf/byline/45705/20078439/SIG=10r33ca9a/*http://www.newsfactor.com)
Fri Aug 25, 7:45 PM ET

Forget the browser wars of the past: the real tech battle is about to begin. Ready for the operating system catfight?

With the announcement of its upcoming Leopard operating system, Apple Computer Inc. means to present a direct challenge to industry behemoth Microsoft. And it's likely that within the next year, both consumers and businesses will have to decide between Redmond's massive OS overhaul or the latest kitty out of Cupertino.

Before Apple's recent announcement that it would be releasing OS X 10.5, called Leopard, it appeared that Apple would be drawing mainly on its streamlined OS interface to try and best Microsoft, along with emphasis on its switch to Intel. But the recent news that it would be building robust features into Leopard puts the fresh system directly in competition with Vista, changing the rules of engagement.

Cat's Meow

As Microsoft began its campaign to ease users into thinking about Vista, it seemed that Apple's only answer would be to point out that it now runs on Intel chip, and emphasize the ability to toggle between Windows and Mac systems thanks to new software.

Some speculated that Apple's new application, Boot Camp, could be enough to draw at least a small percentage of users away from Windows.

In some ways, that may still be the case. Considered a boon for Mac users, and a compelling option for those who've been intrigued by Macs but don't want to fully commit, Boot Camp is an alluring application. It allows users to install and run Windows XP on a Mac, as well as toggle between the two simply by restarting and holding down the option key, the application is already available in a public beta.

"Boot Camp will win over a small percentage of customers that won't migrate to Apple's OS because of applications that don't run on Apple," says Samir Bhavnani, director of research at Current Analysis. "The company has been good about getting to the point where they say to users, 'you don't have to switch completely. We understand about you need to run Windows sometimes. But we'll also allow you to have an Apple experience.'"

In creating Boot Camp, Apple has actually become more adept at marketing Windows functions than Microsoft, Bhavnani believes.

But beyond Boot Camp, it turns out, Apple intends to intensify its chances of winning Windows users, and wasn't about to rest on the laurels of Boot Camp. With the new OS X 10.5 version, planned for shipping in spring 2007, users will be able to tap into new backup and recovery technology, introduce virtual desktops, and have more powerful iChat functions.

The Leopard Mail software has a number of new features, according to the company, including templates, better manageability, and a synching function with iCal, RSS news feeds, and better smart mailboxes.

"Apple has incremental approaches to operating system development," says Ted Schadler, analyst at Forrester Research. "It allows them to add features quickly, with a strong degree of compatibility."

Marketing Push

Another potential advantage for Apple has nothing to do with Leopard's features, and actually doesn't depend on anything the company can do internally with development: it's the ability of Microsoft to release Vista on time and address potential bugs in its beta versions.

In other words, Apple seems to be fighting Redmond on two fronts, countering Microsoft with its OS features as well as slamming the company through marketing efforts and general commentary.

Apple is already on the attack when it comes to Microsoft's security issues and alleged interoperability problems with third-party devices, highlighting both challenges through a series of ads that present Windows and OS X as people. Not surprisingly, the "Apple guy" has fewer viruses, speaks Japanese, and is generally more likeable than his uptight, sniffling colleague.

But as Vista's release nears, Apple is stepping up the rivalry, despite the fact that Microsoft and Apple have actually shown more cooperation in the past few years.

At the company's recent Worldwide Developer Conference, Apple CEO Steve Jobs noted that since Windows XP was launched in 2001, Apple has released five major updates to OS X. In a particularly sharp swipe, Jobs said that "our friends" in Redmond had spent over $5 billion in research and development, but have ended up just copying Google and Apple. "So I guess it's a good example of how money isn't everything," he said.

Jobs also noted that some of the features of Leopard would be kept under wraps, not just because Apple is notoriously secretive with its upcoming releases, but because the company didn't want Microsoft to "start their photocopiers."

The comments were meant to be provocative, and draw a reaction, and Jobs certainly got his wish. Since the conference, his comments have been well-covered as an opening salvo against Vista (until, at least, the speech got bumped by news that Apple had fired some retail employees for downloading Leopard without authorization).

"The keynote wasn't very sexy in terms of announcements," says Schadler. "But it didn't have to be, since Jobs was so focused on Vista. In many ways, Apple doesn't have to respond to Vista's specific functionality, since Apple is already ahead of it."

As Vista goes forward in beta, it's very possible that Apple will be closely watching how buggy the initial OS experiments are, even though betas are often used to ferret out errors. Following the June release of Vista Beta 2, for example, testers started grumbling about bugs and blue screens, and quickly suggested that a third beta cycle be created, although one hasn't been scheduled.

Microsoft has already planned to ship Release Candidate 1, scheduled for the end of September, and has noted that corporate customers could see a release of Vista as early as November. But if bugs are as present as the testers say, it would not only be tough for Microsoft to keep to its schedule, but could give Leopard an advantage if it ships without much incident.

Window on the World

Although Leopard might present a challenge to Microsoft -- and likely inspire some zesty new Mac v. Windows ads -- some analysts note that it won't exactly become an Apple-driven world anytime soon.

Windows still commands a sizeable chunk of the OS market, with most estimates putting it around 95 percent. Since it's used in so much of the corporate world, it's not likely that IT departments will skip Vista and turn instead to replacing desktops and servers with Apple's lineup. Where companies go, consumers do tend to follow, since many people find it useful to have the same type of system at home as they do at the office, making for easy file transfers and telecommuting.

In other words, most of the world will still buy Windows, no matter what bugs the first version of Vista might have, and although there could be some converts, it's still more cult than religion.

Part of the reason that the corporate world won't make a widespread shift, analysts note, is because Windows still excels at providing business-ready applications. Apple has made some inroads in the area, but Windows has been consistently ahead in understanding the needs of Joe Cubicle.

"The thing that's so unbelievably impressive about Microsoft is its understanding of how applications get built and deployed," says Schadler. "It's always been part of the company. With Apple, you have applications that are great with basics like Web browsing and photo manipulation, but you don't have the sophisticated business applications geared toward Windows."

Some might counter with the fact that Boot Camp will make that issue irrelevant, but others believe that the limitations with running Windows on a Mac -- most notably, in having to buy a full Windows license -- will create limitations. Also, to go between apps, a user has to shut down the computer and reboot, which is not exactly a task that users crave to do more often.

"A virtualization solution like Parallels or VMWare, though it would cost a bit more for the virtualization stack, is a better solution because Windows and Mac OS apps can be run simultaneously," says Michael Silver, an analyst at Gartner. "Of course, any time you run Windows, you need to worry about antivirus, spyware, etc., no matter whose hardware you run on."

In general, Silver adds, corporate users are focused mainly on applications, and that means Windows. "Since most companies have hundreds, if not thousands, of Windows applications, the migration costs are high and switching is difficult," he says. "A new version of Mac OS in the Vista time frame probably would not make much of a difference."

But just because it won't become standard equipment in the corporate world in the near future doesn't mean that Apple can't increase its popularity -- after all, to belabor the analogy, some groups once called cults really did become full-blown religions.

Battle Ground

How the skirmish between the operating systems continues is likely to depend somewhat on timing, analysts have predicted.

If Vista continues to be delayed, and can't meet its January target, it could greatly benefit Leopard, especially if Apple is able to get the OS shipping earlier than expected.

Apple is already gearing up for a major marketing campaign for the holidays, and if they're able to ramp up demand, and then deliver the system when they say it will be delivered, it could trump Microsoft in a way that Jobs would crow about for years.

Users should also be prepared to hear more and more about "Time Machine," which a recent Macworld poll found was the most anticipated feature of the new OS. Time Machine allows users to automatically back up all of a system's files at any point in time to an external hard drive.

Although the ability to back up files is possible with Macs now, especially for those who pay for Apple's .mac accounts and can have their documents put on a Web server, the backup procedure isn't exactly at the point of being called automatic. With Time Machine, if a drive is attached, the system will immediately ask if a back up is needed, and transfer the files.

Coming in second in the poll was "Spaces," a way to simultaneously display and switch between applications, making a desktop look something like an actual, real-world desktop that has multiple file folders and documents open.

Also worth watching is how fully Apple can relate its staggeringly successful iPod and iTunes lines to Leopard. If the company can win Microsoft users who are already using iTunes, it may have a stronger foothold, notes Bhavnani.

"They want to get more people involved in the Apple experience, and wondering what other Apple applications are like," he says. "In many ways, Vista is huge improvement in terms of ease of use, and Apple will naturally have to counter that with whatever it can."

NovasLogic
08-27-2006, 05:22 PM
conceptually thats a good idea for apple.. other wise.. yeah.. I'm cool with out a mac... Cost way to much for that damn system.

Night
08-27-2006, 06:45 PM
I hate apple. Not just for the OS anymore, but for those smear campaign advertisements. They're the bitch of the OS market trying to stand up to the big guy. It's like they're the new guy in prison or something. And they talk about Virtual PC like it's a good function. That's Mac's way of admitting that people need Windows more than they need OS X.

cid
08-27-2006, 07:57 PM
windows is nice, but personally with the things i do i would find mac to be a lot more useful to me...thats why i have my hopes up for leopard...

NovasLogic
08-28-2006, 02:01 AM
windows is nice, but personally with the things i do i would find mac to be a lot more useful to me...thats why i have my hopes up for leopard...


just wait.. they'll be crushed like you dreams of being a ballerina.

Cherubim1324
09-05-2006, 09:16 PM
Microsoft Sets Vista Pricing, Expands Tester Base (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060905/tc_pcworld/127042)

Elizabeth Montalbano, IDG News Service
Tue Sep 5, 6:00 PM ET

Microsoft today released the pricing for Windows Vista, about a week after online retailer Amazon.com disclosed the operating system's pricing on its Web site.

The company also expanded the tester base of Vista to about 5 million users as it begins gearing up for Windows Vista's widespread release, which is scheduled for early next year.

Microsoft's suggested retail pricing for Windows Vista is as follows: $399 for Windows Vista Ultimate, $299 for Windows Vista Business, $239 for Windows Vista Home Premium, and $199 for Windows Vista Home Basic.

Upgrades to Windows Vista from XP are $259 for Windows Vista Ultimate, $199 for Windows Vista Home Premium, and $99 for Windows Vista Home Basic.

The prices are the same as the ones listed on Amazon.com's Web site last week, except that the online retailer listed an upgrade for Vista Home Basic as $0.95 more. Amazon.com is already taking pre-orders for Vista, and lists on its Web site that the OS will be available on January 30, 2007. Microsoft has not given a firm date for Vista's release, but is targeting sometime in January for the OS's general release. The company plans to release Vista to business customers in November.

In a related blog item, PC World Associate Editor Danny Allen compares Vista (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/pcworld/tc_pcworld/storytext/127042/20185618/SIG=11p4qqmgs/*http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/002683.html)'s prices and features with those in Windows XP.

Vista Release Candidate 1 Available

Microsoft late last week made available Release Candidate 1 (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/pcworld/tc_pcworld/storytext/127042/20185618/SIG=127onivtk/*http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127013-c,vistalonghorn/article.html) (RC1) of Windows Vista, which means that the OS is in its final testing phases. The release was initially made available to only about 20,000 users who are in Microsoft's TechBeta and Technology Adoption Program program, but today the company said that in the next few days it will expand that release to some 500,000 members of its Microsoft Developer Network and TechNet program (for developers and IT pros, respectively).

Microsoft said it will also make RC1 available to the more than 2 million members of the Windows Vista Customer Preview Program who received Beta 2, and will reopen the program to new testers. Additionally, Microsoft plans to distribute an estimated 2 million copies of RC1 on DVDs bundled with magazines. All told, some 5 million users worldwide will have access to RC1 as Windows Vista goes through its final testing, Microsoft officials said.

Feedback on RC1

Shanen Boettcher, Microsoft's general manager of Windows client product management, said the early feedback the company has received on RC1 has been positive. He said Microsoft will determine whether to make a second release candidate available based on tester feedback to RC1.

Windows XP had two release candidates before it was shipped to manufacturing. Analysts have said that if Windows Vista follows the same path, it will be a tight squeeze for Microsoft to get the OS out according to its current schedule.

Windows Vista's release has been delayed (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/pcworld/tc_pcworld/storytext/127042/20185618/SIG=11nhgjq30/*http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,125166/article.html) several times, and industry and financial analysts have said they think the release will slip even further into 2007. However, analysts today said that the release of RC1 and the Vista pricing announcement are positive signs that the company could be on track to release the OS on time.

PC World Senior Editor Yardena Arar contributed to this story.

Night
09-05-2006, 10:35 PM
Only thing Leopard's got going for it in my opinion is "It's lepuuuuurd"

NovasLogic
09-06-2006, 03:40 AM
Only thing Leopard's got going for it in my opinion is "It's lepuuuuurd"

well... If what Dave Chappelle portrays is true with leopard skin... never mind I'll get a warning for this joke.

Nickelback
09-06-2006, 07:21 AM
$100 for just an upgrade. Cripes.

[PhiberOpticks]
09-06-2006, 10:49 PM
Only thing Leopard's got going for it in my opinion is "It's lepuuuuurd"

I think Show Business is about to get Chappelle on some joint advertising with OSX Leopard (you know what episode Im talking about)

But really, fuck OSX...fuck it right in the ear. If you like it, that's cool. But I can't stand Macs. And the only reason I use them is because my parents are trying to get me off of PCs *cough*

But Vista probably will do well. But I swear to god, if they mess up on the security, like they did with XP and service pack 2, I'm gonna be annoyed.

Cherubim1324
09-07-2006, 01:11 PM
Microsoft hints at delay of Vista in Europe (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060907/tc_nm/microsoft_eu_dc_5)

By David Lawsky
Thu Sep 7, 11:32 AM ET

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Microsoft (Nasdaq:MSFT (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/finance/nm/tc_nm/storytext/microsoft_eu_dc/20206427/*http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=msft&d=t) - news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/biz/nm/tc_nm/storytext/microsoft_eu_dc/20206427/*http://biz.yahoo.com/n/m/msft.html)) raised the possibility on Thursday that it might delay the introduction of its new Vista Windows operating system in Europe, depending on antitrust requirements of the European Commission.

The move came after four British members of the European Parliament wrote to European Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes warning that her antitrust actions could force a delay for Vista in Europe.

Microsoft left open that possibility in a response to the letter that echoes threats it made in the United States eight years ago.

"Last spring, we made concrete proposals to the Commission to respond to their concerns about the inclusion of various new features (in Vista) and we are awaiting a response," the company said in a statement.

"Once we receive the Commission's response, we will know whether the Commission is seeking additional product design changes that would result in delay in Europe," it said.

But the Commission, the executive arm of the European Union, had a different perspective.

"It is not up to the Commission to give Microsoft a green light before Vista is put on the market, it is up to Microsoft to accept and implement its responsibilities as a near-monopolist to ensure full compliance with EU competition rules," a spokesman said.

"Microsoft only responded to our latest concerns last week," he said.

CHANGING SIDES

The letter and Microsoft's statement followed by one day the revelation that Henri Piffaut, slated to lead the Commission unit enforcing antitrust laws against Microsoft, has asked to work for a consultancy that has Microsoft as a client.

Piffaut was to have carried on the fight that dates to 2004, when the Commission found Microsoft had violated European antitrust law, fined it 500 million euros ($640 million) and required changes in its business practices.

When Microsoft failed to meet Commission requirements, the EU executive fined the company another 281 million euros this summer. It is still waiting for compliance.

The Commission is also talking with Microsoft about whether Vista has anti-competitive elements that must be changed.

DELAY AND ALARM

Vista, set to replace Windows XP, has run into many delays. Microsoft this week reconfirmed its plan to make Vista available to large-volume business customers in November and for a general launch of the product in January.

The concern of the British parliamentarians is that it could face further delay, but only in Europe. They cited a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, in which Microsoft warned investors that European enforcement actions represented a "risk factor."

"It is alarming that one of the world's most successful technology companies considers the European Commission's attitude a risk factor," said the letter, signed by Michal Kaminski, Chris Heaton-Harris, Peter Skinner and Sharon Bowles.

"This effectively means that the Commission's actions are endangering the ability of European business to compete globally," the letter said.

The letter and the company's response recall similar comments made by Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other senior executives of the company in May 1998, shortly before the release of the Windows 98 operating system.

At the time, the U.S. Justice Department was working on a major lawsuit against Microsoft, which it ultimately won.

Then-chief financial officer Greg Maffel said any lawsuit aimed at Windows 98 could have "broad, negative consequences" for the entire personal computer industry.

Around the same time, top executives of Microsoft partners sent a letter asking the federal government not to block Windows 98's release.

The picture was muddied by news reports that the company had planned to plant public opinion pieces to create the appearance of a groundswell.

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