Sora and Gunny

[Nickelback]

So, over the past few days i've seen a surge in posts from Sora/Roxas and Great Uncle Leslie, whom you might know better as Gundamwarrior, Lycaon, or just as gunny. What do these posts include in their content? Constant flamebaiting back and forth, barely even adding to the topic. Constantly in new posts I see this occur, but no, it doesn't end there. Not to stop with the spam and constant flamebaiting across the ENTIRE FUCKING FORUM, I get bullshit through MSN and AIM from BOTH of you. What do these IMs say?

"OH SORAS PISSING ME OFF I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT PLEASE BACK ME UP"

"AGUNI, GUNNY IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL CAN YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT PLEASE"

Multiply these by at least 5 times, and switch some words around, add some commas, and you get what i've had to deal with for the past several days. You know i've dealt with people far worse than you, but even when I explain the situation, it still happens.

At one time, I would have considered you both friends, but with all your arrogant pride clashing on the forums, which I like to post in, it makes me think twice about me even coming here in the first place.

Ignoring one another would be the most logical solution, right? Well apparently not, it makes me wonder how often you both get beat up in school, unless you don't even go to school and instead act like this online. Grow the fuck up, both of you. Oh yeah, get this, you're both OLDER THAN ME. Way to show it, bravo.

[Pinkie Pie]

Well, Gates threads again. Whee. -.-

I haven't seen either of the two so much do anything that could be considered trolling one another, though there has been an increased amount of spam from both lately, and I'm getting sick of the bickering myself.

Sora, you need to try to keep a cooler head. Smartass remarks aren't a requirement for everything said in the forums, and to be honest, you seem to fly to extremes pretty quick. And if you're simply trying to be come off as sarcastic, then please quit. It's not funny and it's making you look like more of an asshole than I think you'd want.

Gunny. Come on. You're a MOD, for crapsake. You should be way above this kind of thing, setting an example for other members. You don't have to win everything. You don't have to jump into every thread Sora posts in for the sake of trying to "get him", whether or not he's asking for it or deserving it.

Once again, I haven't seen anything that breaks any particular rules that are actively enforced here (please correct me if I'm wrong), but it gets really old after a while. If you two have that much against each other and want to go at it like that, do it here in the Gates and leave it out of the rest of the forums.

[Dark Marmosett]

But also some of the insults that he made on a few times. One calling me a fraud with my art. And two saying bloos graphics completely suck compared to yours or agunis without any reason behind it. You think that was very nice of him. And half the time he says things its not even understandable. And trying to get him. He came into my art thread saying I was a fraud. And in one halo thread Yvl was saying how he can never get better at it if its just versus. And I made a post reply to it saying Well I asked you at your grad party if you wanted to play some co op story mode and sora comes in saying you really shoudl say who you are speaking to. And then in the styles thread with him saying EF needs an art overhaul. Then later he tells me to read between the fucking lines. What lines are to be read between when later he said he meant to say EF needs new styles. Where do you get ef needs new styles outof a whole art overhaul? Its like putting a square block in a round hole. It doesn't fit.

[Nickelback]

Thing is, gunny, you could have just ignored it from the beginning, instead of PERPETUATING THE ENTIRE GOD DAMNED ARGUMENT FURTHER ACROSS THE ENTIRE BOARD. For gods sake if you'd get the point through your thick skull maybe things would be easier.

[Dark Marmosett]

Maybe if he never came back acting weird as he is now this whole time nothing would have ever happened. You can't say you haven't noticed him acting strangely ever since he came back from his LOA. I remember when he was first here at ef before that LOA. Talked straight and acted normally. Now that hes back again he's acting all weird. And he gets annoying all the time. I leave my busy status on msn and he still messages me and he doens't get the hint I want to be left alone cause I'm not a person to say it to his face to get lost. Or say I'm not in the mood to talking to you every day every second. But after the whol art thing he's done that really broke the last straw. He had no right in saying those things the way he did. I will not forgive him for that.

[Pinkie Pie]

But also some of the insults that he made on a few times. One calling me a fraud with my art. And two saying bloos graphics completely suck compared to yours or agunis without any reason behind it. You think that was very nice of him.

No, but if you look at my post again, I'm addressing both of you, not just you.

And half the time he says things its not even understandable.

Er... not to try to add fuel to the fire, but... pot calling the kettle black, there?

And trying to get him. He came into my art thread saying I was a fraud. And in one halo thread Yvl was saying how he can never get better at it if its just versus. And I made a post reply to it saying Well I asked you at your grad party if you wanted to play some co op story mode and sora comes in saying you really shoudl say who you are speaking to. And then in the styles thread with him saying EF needs an art overhaul. Then later he tells me to read between the fucking lines. What lines are to be read between when later he said he meant to say EF needs new styles. Where do you get ef needs new styles outof a whole art overhaul? Its like putting a square block in a round hole. It doens't fit.

Which doesn't warrent that kind of bickering between the two of you. You don't have to attack each other in every thread where one of you says something. A lot of the things you cited were also Sora's posts in which he voiced an opinion. Strong ones, possibly, and not ones I'd agree with either. To disagree is one thing, but to turn it into a vendetta against each other to the point where in every thread you appear in you have to clash heads is another.

For example, the styles thread. You weren't the only one who disagreed with him on the "overhaul" thing. But you were the only one to continue to drag it out and bicker over it. Not to mention that you both talked out of both sides of your mouth as to whether or not he was being confusing.

Maybe if he never came back acting weird as he is now this whole time nothing would have ever happened.

Hostile, much?

You can't say you haven't noticed him acting strangely ever since he came back from his LOA. I remmeber when he was first here at ef before that LOA. Talked straight and acted normally. Now that hes back again he's acting all weird. And he gets annoying all the time. I leave my busy status on msn and he still messages me and he doens't get the hint I want to be left alone cause I'm not a person to say it to his face to get lost. Or say I'm not in the mood to talking to you every day every second. But after the whol art thign he's doen that really broke the straw. He had no right in saying those things. I will not forgive him for that.

If it's that bad, then you should confront him in the Gates rather than drag a grudge war against him across the entire forums.

[Dark Marmosett]

And I didn't continue to drag it. He told me specifically to read between the lines after I asked polietly then why didn't you just say we need more styles instead in the first place? Without any tone or agressiveness to it. I'm not so sure whats been happening with him in RL but if he is having problems he really should sort them out and not bring them here.

[Bloozilla]

Well, I feel dragged into this, seeing as how Gunny's been complaining about Sora over messenger to me as well, telling me to back him up on a forum that doesn't allow flaming.

And two saying bloos graphics completely suck compared to yours or agunis without any reason behind it. You think that was very nice of him.

Look, Gunny, the comment Sora made about my graphics (which was over AIM, so why should be dragged to EF?) hurt my feelings a little, but it's not something that I'm not going to hold a grudge against. Sure, I would've wanted a reason why, but whatever. I'm over it now.

Really, you should've took my advice to start a Gates thread, but no, you said that people would be against you. Well, it's not like Sora's the only one doing anything wrong, you're only making it worse by replying to his comments and further pissing both you and him off. It takes two to start flaming, you know. Really, stop fighting. Either ignore it or go to messenger for your disputes, don't drag it across the entire forums because it's HIGHLY annoying. Go to the Gates if you have to. Cut the shit, both of you.

There's my 2 cents.

[Dark Marmosett]

I only asked you if I was to start a thread would you back me up. Not to back me up cause I know everyone would be against me. I just had a feeling. -.- And if I remeber correctly bloo then after he said that the whole time you kept on going on how you were gonna quit doing graphics all together and kept on asking me for advice on the whole thing. It hurt more than you say it did. More than half the whole day was spent talking about it.

[Bloozilla]

Sora's comment hit me a little hard at first, you know? People usually like my work and I'm not used to comments like Sora's.

[Pinkie Pie]

And I didn't continue to drag it.

Sure looked like you did to me.

He told me specifically to read between the lines after I asked polietly then why didn't you just say we need more styles instead in the first place?

After saying you easily understood what he meant in the first place. Thus the double talk. Bloo made a comment to him, which was expected since she was directly involved, and you felt the need to more or less repeat what she said. I have a feeling he was more annoyed over that than he would have been if you actually didn't understand him.

Without any tone or agressiveness to it.

It sounded pretty obnoxious, since there was no reason for the comment other than to harp on him for being "confusing" when you claimed to not have been confused.

I only asked you if I was to start a thread would you back me up. Not to back me up cause I know everyone would be against me.

The point of the Gates is to settle member disputes, not to gather "armies" of members to gang up on someone. If you have a problem with someone, and it's something that would otherwise be fought out over the other forums, then you go to the Gates with it. That's the whole point of this place. You can't refuse to on the grounds of "people won't like what I say" and then fight things out in other threads. That's not the way it works.

And if I remeber correctly bloo then after he said that the whole time you kept on going on how you were gonna quit doing graphics all together and kept on asking me for advice on the whole thing. It hurt more than you say it did. More than half the whole day was spent talking about it.

Fair enough, but that's her issue, not yours. If Sora continued to harass her over something (if you can call a negative comment on artwork a harassment in the first place, I dunno, haven't seen the comment in question), that would be different. But just one comment like that? It's her choice to confront him about it or to get over it herself, not yours.

Sora hasn't been the nicest member around. I've already said that. But when you respond by being an asshole yourself, you both wind up looking bad.

[Night]

Er... not to try to add fuel to the fire, but... pot calling the kettle black, there?Aye... granted Gunny does it less often, he can still baffle me with his words.

I've had more than one problem with Sora's attitude, he seems to post nonsense after nonsense. There's a place labeled spammyland. I've been called out on spam before (And I think it's bullshit, but I've been called on it, nonetheless) but I've never seen anything quite like the stream of posts he's made. One comes to mind, in Nightsavior's art/returning thread when Sora posted "I'll take a rocket launcher". Excuse me if I'm ranting, but of all the unneccesary shit one person coulda said. I've personally had a lil' run-in with Sora, seems to me like he values himself a little bit too highly based on posts and member-time (The two things that really matter in life)

All that aside I do see how this can be compared to me and M.C. Doomhammer's "clash" trolling-spree (I don't think it was trolling, but I was called on it, so somebody must have, and that's what matters) and it should stop.

Can't help but to feel partial to GW in this thread, it's obvious that he puts a lot of effort into his art, and you can't just tell somebody they're a fraud... not right... let's not forget that list of every gundam ever though. It's just my personal experiences with Sora have led me to dislike him.


Can't wait for Sora to see this thread.

[Dark Marmosett]

Fair enough, but that's her issue, not yours.It's her choice to confront him about it or to get over it herself, not yours.
But I am not that kind of person to stand aside and let a good person or friend get hurt like that. It goes against my ways of thinking.

[Bloozilla]

My apologies, Gunny. I don't think I should've been that upset over his comment and took it out on you. However. It's not just that comment that pissed me off. Sora said some other things over messenger that didn't quite fly right with me. *shrug*

[Rainbow Dash]

Fair enough, but that's her issue, not yours.
Though something like this never actually happened, put yourself in his shoes, what would you have done if you found out your friend was upset by something another member did?

This kind of situation is the only problem I have with teh internet. There's no way to be subtle, or at least, its very difficult to be. I've been in hot water in other places for not being able to convey the tone of my voice in text. Emotes are too obvious, so the best I'm able to come up with is italicizing or capitalizing words I'm trying to emphasize.

And I think it's bullshit, but I've been called on it, nonetheless
Someone really needs to define what Spam is.

[Pinkie Pie]

But I am not that kind of person to stand aside and let a good person or friend get hurt like that. It goes against my ways of thinking.

Okay, then how about actually confronting Sora over IM or in the Gates, and leaving the bickering out of the rest of the site? You've taken jabs at him in other threads, but never actually confronted him directly on any of this, as far as I've seen.

Though something like this never actually happened, put yourself in his shoes, what would you have done if you found out your friend was upset by something another member did?

I understand that, and I'm not saying he can't get upset over it. I'm saying that it's not up to him to take up a grudge war over it in places it doesn't belong. If he'd made a Gates thread to confront Sora over it, it'd be a different.

I'm not trying to single out Gunny, if Sora ever shows up again then I'll talk about him too. But in my opinion, Gunny, being a mod, should be held to a higher standard, and thus has less of an excuse to behave that way.

[Rainbow Dash]

Okay, then how about actually confronting Sora over IM or in the Gates, and leaving the bickering out of the rest of the site? You've taken jabs at him in other threads, but never actually confronted him directly on any of this, as far as I've seen.
Most likely the same reason I don't talk to guys IRL anymore, because previous attempts at it have wound up being catastrophic. Plus, face it: You all can be harsh when it comes to these kinds of things.

[Pinkie Pie]

Most likely the same reason I don't talk to guys IRL anymore, because previous attempts at it have wound up being catastrophic. Plus, face it: You all can be harsh when it comes to these kinds of things.

I understand your point, but here's mine again.

Not making threads in Gates to settle disputes for fear of what others will say = fine.

Taking that fight to the rest of the forums, using that as an excuse = not fine.

I understand his reasoning behind not making a Gates thread, and I don't really blame him for it, as they can get nasty. But it's a "bicker here or not at all" kind of thing. If he doesn't want to fight over it, then he shouldn't fight over it at all. That includes taunting in other threads. If he doesn't like Sora (whether or not it's justified), he doesn't have to respond to him. That's what the ignore function's for.

If he needs to respond to an attack or fight something out, it needs to be done in the Gates. Just because he thinks it wouldn't go well doesn't change the rules.

[Miles]

As much as I wasn't going to do this...And as much as it isn't anything to do with me...I'm going to take a dive and go for this;

I really wish people wouldn't fight like this. If you and Sora have a proble, Gundam...Then there has to be a way to settle this without leaving a thick amount of tension behind the both of you. And believe it or not, having it out...All out, can really help.

I mean, I had a massive arguement with Fly once...We were ready to rip each other apart...But after nearly killing each other, something went dead and now...We um...Are a bit more civilized. At least, I think so...We comment on each others post (the rare times we have) without trying to kill each other for no real reason. I actually think we get along now.

If there is some tension between the two of you, then have it out. And if you don't want it here, then do it through PM's or IM's, as has been said before. I couldn't give a wits-end if the two of you can be bothered or anything...I don't like having to cut through a smog of tension to get to a post, although I only found a hint of this, it was kind of subtle...If that word can be used here.

I have nothing against either of you, as I'm sure you're aware, I don't mean to be rude, I just wanted to state my opinion. But be warned...Yell at me and I may not be so polite >.>;

[king kuppy]

If sora is going to ignore this thread, it should be closed. The main arugement is between them. Not anyone else.

[Rainbow Dash]

No, he saw it. He mentioned taking a LOA to me on AIM.

[The Deity]

This is just Junior high drama.

Honestly, its sad that someone else had to make a thread for the two of you. If I was in Aguini's shoes, there's a decent cahcne I would have made one too.

Gundam- Sora's not entitled to like your art or anyone else's. Art is a matter of interpretation and emotional and visual appeal, some things just don't appeal to others. If 20 people like your or blue's art and one doesn't, that's hardly a reason to be bashing someone all over the forums about. If you think he's just doing it because he doesn't like you personally, that approach won't do shit and you should know that. Ignore it or make a move, don't pussyfoot around.

Sora- While I tend to agree with you more in this thread, you're not free from blame. Even though I think the honus to make this thread was more on Gundam than you, I still would have made it myself in your shoes. You are a bit brash and vague with some of your statements and that's even more difficult when you make some of your extreme statements. I'm not a tactful person, but I like to have more substance to my words when I say some extreme things than you tend to.

Honestly, both of you should have stepped up and made a fuckign thread. This junior-high bullshit of "trolling" each other in every thread is pathetic and reflects poorly on both of you as members and especially on a moderator. These issues need to just be dealt with, and the only way to really deal with them is to make a Gates thread. As Johnny and I've argued before, these things do create their own solutions after being opened so long. I just hope you two can finally end this.

[Nickelback]

Diety pretty much said everything that was on my mind. Is there really a point to this thread anymore? I mean both parties are pretty much ignoring it, and supposedly the problem has ceased.

[Rainbow Dash]

These issues need to just be dealt with, and the only way to really deal with them is to make a Gates thread. As Johnny and I've argued before, these things do create their own solutions after being opened so long. I just hope you two can finally end this.
I tried telling Sora just that, but he had to go.

It's too early to close this thread, IMO, but since it is yours, it's up to you.

[Night]

Well if they won't read it why say anything at all?

Not reading this is really a way to pussyfoot around, because not only will they not help themselves, but they'll continue to bitch at eachother on the forums.

Someone really needs to define what Spam is.Problem with that is that there's no ingredients list on the can. :spam

[Rainbow Dash]

Sora definately read it, and it definately effected him.

[Night]

Oh he did? And he didn't post in his defense? I'm surprised.