Are our rights slowly fading away?

[Altima]

Are our rights (USA) being taken away? I have seen somethings in the news the past few months that are dumb. Like President Bush wanting to know people's google searchs. I don't think he should of got them. If i'm a guy looking for porn I don't want anyone to know about it lol.

Also that spray that prevents pregnancy that the government made Wal-Mart stock is STUPID. I'll explain why.

Say I own a small store. I bought the land its on, paid for the development, pay the taxes on that land, and pay the employess that work for me. In otherwards I do everything and decide what goes on my shelves and what doesn't. Just the same as Wal-Mart so why does the government (federal or state can't remember which) make them stock this anti-pregnancy spray on their shelves if they don't want it there. Wal-Mart belongs to Wal-Mart owners and if they don't want to stock something I say they shouldn't have to.

My dad was calling it communisum. Did anyone else hear anything about any of this a few months back. I always wanted to make a post about it and I just remembered it.

[Qween B]

I'll agree to a certain point. certain laws like you need to be 21 to drink and 19 to smoke, 19 to buy a lighter, ect. thats takeing away privlages to an ADULT. if your an adult at 18 i feel its wrong to give rights above that becuase they, your supposed to have grown up by then, what are they gonna do? say your not an adult till 21 now? they make it seem that way.
what someone does should be private until theres a reason it shouldnt be anymore,
take this for example, you have the right to freedom of speech. if your asked by a police officer who pulled you over to take a test to see if your DWI you can say yes or no. but if you say no you get arrested...
if you buy land why cant you walk around naked if you feel like it?! its your land, nobody has to look at it. and the human body is so horribly terrible because everyone doenst have the same parts (ofcourse depending on gender).
its getting rediculous.

[Nickelback]

I say yes. Our rights are slowly fading away. More and more under this administration more than anything are they controlling our lives, akin to that of radical christian viewpoints, thus warping our lives to their rules, which are absurd and outright ludicrious. However the government making walmart stock this really confuses me. If they don't want it stocked why is the government forcing them to? Especially since they banned abortions and not only that, there have been numerous stories around the nation that people have denied patients at pharamcies birth control. It's going downhill rather rapidly, down towards a state of being controlled, every facet of our lives. You probably can't even mention Osama Bin Laden over the phone or the FBI will be parachuting at your house within 10 minutes.

[Rainbow Dash]

That's what I like to call "Being republican." T. Diddy is going to kill me for that.

Wal mart is already evil enough, so of course they are going to stock up on ungodly items. Havent you been to the "artifacts" isle? Or the CD isles for that matter?


take this for example, you have the right to freedom of speech. if your asked by a police officer who pulled you over to take a test to see if your DWI you can say yes or no. but if you say no you get arrested...

It isnt so much what you are saying, its the act of defiance to authority.

[Qween B]

It isnt so much what you are saying, its the act of defiance to authority.

eh true. but its the fact you have the right to say no but youll get arrested if you say it, haha. they should just make the law saying you either take it or go to jail -.-

[Altima]

Actually you can smoke when your 18 Queen. The reason why you can't drink until your 21 is because the human brain isn't quite fully developed until around the age of 21 and alcohol affects the brain.

I don't remember what that product was called I know what it does and how they use it tho but i'm not putting that on here. Lets just say its used in the form of a squirt.

[Qween B]

not in new york you cant. 19 for ciggs, 19 for a lighter.

[The Cleric]

Well its whenever i can get my mom to buy them for me and in that case for cigs its when i have the money and beer thats ummm never.....of course her husband was a drunk and beat her alot so i understand that.And when people say fight for opur country i tell them what fucking country its nothing but a hell ridin place that needs to burn.

[Altima]

I just remembered a funny story. My mom and I were in line at a Sheetz store one day and a guy ahead of us was trying to buy beer. Well he didn't have I.D. so he couldn't get the beer because if you look 14 or so they must I.D. you or whatever the guy said. They let him have the cigs tho. The thing is that guy said he was 46 years old and i'm not kidding he was back and had short black hair with grays in it. I was thinking that he was at least 40 myself and they wouldn't let him have that Corona. It was so funny. That store clerk was a total idiot. He looks 14 or so, so they don't sell him the beer but they sell him the smokes.

[The Cleric]

Lol well thats why pot heads shouldnt be clerks

[Rainbow Dash]

Well its whenever i can get my mom to buy them for me and in that case for cigs its when i have the money and beer thats ummm never.....of course her husband was a drunk and beat her alot so i understand that.And when people say fight for opur country i tell them what fucking country its nothing but a hell ridin place that needs to burn.
Hey, hey, it is better than most countries. Its just become so corrupt that its not even recognizable anymore.

[The Cleric]

Yeah true.

[The Deity]

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Are our rights (USA) being taken away?

No...

I have seen somethings in the news the past few months that are dumb. Like President Bush wanting to know people's google searchs. I don't think he should of got them. If i'm a guy looking for porn I don't want anyone to know about it lol.

He could care less if you're a pervert. Aside from that, your point has nothing to do with freedom, it would be privacy you would make a qualm with. I've gone on record supporting Patriot Act-esque laws before and I will continue to do so. The bottomline is unless you're doing some terrorist activity nothing will happen to you and no one will know anything else.

Also that spray that prevents pregnancy that the government made Wal-Mart stock is STUPID. I'll explain why.

Say I own a small store. I bought the land its on, paid for the development, pay the taxes on that land, and pay the employess that work for me. In otherwards I do everything and decide what goes on my shelves and what doesn't. Just the same as Wal-Mart so why does the government (federal or state can't remember which) make them stock this anti-pregnancy spray on their shelves if they don't want it there. Wal-Mart belongs to Wal-Mart owners and if they don't want to stock something I say they shouldn't have to.

...yeah, its pointless I agree.

My dad was calling it communisum. Did anyone else hear anything about any of this a few months back. I always wanted to make a post about it and I just remembered it.

Its hardly communism and I doubt that Wal Mart will have a problem selling it.

I'll agree to a certain point. certain laws like you need to be 21 to drink and 19 to smoke, 19 to buy a lighter, ect. thats takeing away privlages to an ADULT. if your an adult at 18 i feel its wrong to give rights above that becuase they, your supposed to have grown up by then, what are they gonna do? say your not an adult till 21 now? they make it seem that way.

You have to have some kind of age restriction and that's where they placed it, the same could be said for voting. We don't want our 13 year olds smoking or voting so we have to outlaw it.

what someone does should be private until theres a reason it shouldnt be anymore,

And that's the case...

take this for example, you have the right to freedom of speech. if your asked by a police officer who pulled you over to take a test to see if your DWI you can say yes or no. but if you say no you get arrested...

Well why wouldn't you...that has to be the most absurd point ever made. An officer thinks you're drunk, so they should let you go since you don't want to take a test and prove sobriety?

if you buy land why cant you walk around naked if you feel like it?! its your land, nobody has to look at it. and the human body is so horribly terrible because everyone doenst have the same parts (ofcourse depending on gender).
its getting rediculous.

No...its not. People do have a right to see your land unless you build a fence so high they can't see it.


I say yes. Our rights are slowly fading away. More and more under this administration more than anything are they controlling our lives, akin to that of radical christian viewpoints, thus warping our lives to their rules, which are absurd and outright ludicrious.

Bullshit

You probably can't even mention Osama Bin Laden over the phone or the FBI will be parachuting at your house within 10 minutes.

Even more bullshit. I realise you're exagerating, but that's just stupid. How many cases have you heard of people being arrested as a result of the Patriot Act? That's what I thought. This is not the "Red Scare" or McCarthyism. No one is being presumed tied to terrorist activities. Calm down.

That's what I like to call "Being republican." T. Diddy is going to kill me for that.

T Diddy?

Nothing in his statement even mentioned our rights aside from the right to privacy.

If the two issues he brought up are the major focal point of your standpoint, your logic is flawed.

[The Cleric]

Hmmm deity very good points you made.

[Rainbow Dash]

I do see your point about the priovacy finally... though it is indeed still disconforting, as your private information is in the hands of people you have never met... but it isnt like they are broadcasting your personal data or posting it online...

[Nickelback]

Bullshit? I don't think so, Deity. You do know that the bible belt is what got him into office in the first place. That may be argued, but what he's done is inexcusable. Banning abortion, which is something I _STRONGLY_ oppose. IF the mother's life is in danger then what? What baout if both the baby and mother will die? What if it was an unwanted baby ala rape? Guess you'll have to get it done illiegally. Is that the way it's going to be? I wouldn't think so, this is a view of a right-to-life christian fundamentalist. What about banning stem cell research? So many things could come from that, only to be smashed by more radicals saying "You're killing innocent lives!". Bullshit? I think not. These are some major things in our freedom, well, maybe stem cell research isn't, but the fact that the same root that has banned abortion, is also banning a thing that could help MILLIONS of people. I can't see how it's bullshit.

Also a note, why else would the administration allow screening of phone calls?

[The Deity]

Bullshit? I don't think so, Deity. You do know that the bible belt is what got him into office in the first place.

Sure its part of the reason, but what does that have to do with rights being taken away?

That may be argued, but what he's done is inexcusable. Banning abortion, which is something I _STRONGLY_ oppose.

It hasn't been banned. Are you forgetting the Warren Court's famed Roe v. Wade case? That's still in affect. Bush has a right to disagree with it though.

IF the mother's life is in danger then what? What baout if both the baby and mother will die? What if it was an unwanted baby ala rape?

Only the most extremist, zealous right-wingers would say no abortion, period. That's a common misconception. I believe that a mother should not be asked to give her life up for a child that she doesn't want, but beyond that I typically disagree with abortion. With some exceptions, such as a 12 year old is raped or something...

Guess you'll have to get it done illiegally. Is that the way it's going to be?

I guess, if you couldn't sacrifice nine months of being pregnate and giving birth to save a life. Why are liberals so opposed to adoption?

I wouldn't think so, this is a view of a right-to-life christian fundamentalist.

And anyone else that would view it as murder. You can hardly call me a Christian Fundamentalist based on my church attendence. I'm very liberal when it comes to church.

What about banning stem cell research? So many things could come from that, only to be smashed by more radicals saying "You're killing innocent lives!". Bullshit? I think not.

So killins innocent lives isn't bullshit? I'll keep that in mind, I hope you wouldn't profit off of me dying.

These are some major things in our freedom, well, maybe stem cell research isn't, but the fact that the same root that has banned abortion, is also banning a thing that could help MILLIONS of people. I can't see how it's bullshit.

You realize that you didn't even mention abortion in your first post, right?

Either way, I don't support it. Don't forget they are people that you are "aborting."

Also a note, why else would the administration allow screening of phone calls?

You think they're screening calls for abortion? Now that's bullshit.

[The Cleric]

o_O;;;;;;SOOO many long posts but hey they all make good points to me.

[Qween B]

well opinions are opinions but you misread me when you said this-

You have to have some kind of age restriction and that's where they placed it, the same could be said for voting. We don't want our 13 year olds smoking or voting so we have to outlaw it.

I said changing privlages of a legal adult. Your considered an adult at 18.

Originally Posted by Qween B
I'll agree to a certain point. certain laws like you need to be 21 to drink and 19 to smoke, 19 to buy a lighter, ect. thats takeing away privlages to an ADULT. if your an adult at 18 i feel its wrong to give rights above that becuase they, your supposed to have grown up by then, what are they gonna do? say your not an adult till 21 now? they make it seem that way.
Not to mention you can go to war 17, 18, die for your country...cant go home and have a beer (common point)
just my opinion *shrug*

[Night]

Why are liberals so opposed to adoption?Sorry, but I had to call you out here. That's a sweeping generalization, that also happens to be bullshit. You see so many treehugging liberals adopting little chinese kids that it isn't even funny.

Anyway, I believe that our rights are diminishing, but not dissapearing. In all cases the slippery slope argument applies.

I'll just say this about phone tapping: It was illegal when it was done. Somebody should be arrested.

[Pinkie Pie]

That's what I like to call "Being republican." T. Diddy is going to kill me for that.

Not really, not when you look at what the republican party actually claims to stand for, which is a smaller, less intrusive government.

Of course, I think party ideals were tossed out the window long ago, for both sides.

Only the most extremist, zealous right-wingers would say no abortion, period. That's a common misconception.

Which brings up a quick question from me. I'd think that somebody who was anti-abortion on the grounds that it was "murder" would not have that be a variable. So it's murder sometimes, but not always?

I don't think abortion is the best option in every case, but at the same time I don't believe it's any one person's call to stop everyone from being able to make that choice in the first place.

Why are liberals so opposed to adoption?

I've never met any reasonable person with pro-choice views who was eager to have abortions be handed out like candy. The issue isn't whether or not there are other options in the first place, it's whether or not a woman has the right to make that choice for herself.

[The Deity]

Which brings up a quick question from me. I'd think that somebody who was anti-abortion on the grounds that it was "murder" would not have that be a variable. So it's murder sometimes, but not always?

Its still a loss of life, but I do not believe you can force someone to lose give up their own life for another's.

[Night]

My whole abortion view is scientific. Until the brain develops I don't believe that the baby is sentient. Therefore it can, in my opinion, be aborted in the first trimester.

[Rainbow Dash]

Why are liberals so opposed to adoption?

Because it is traumatic to the child either way. Monster, the show I'm watching (as per my current sig) hasn't exactly had a pro life message to it so far...

Anyway there are alot of orphanages that are in terrible conditions... and they may end up dying or being adopted by an abusive family even if they are given the chance to live.

As mal said, there is a certain point where the baby is not yet alive. There is actually a list of criteria to classify whether or not something is alive - at the point where all those criteria are met, that is where I oppose abortion. I dont know what trimester that is.

Except that the Goddess Fiana bestowed upon me the divine power of abortion. *aborts deity*

Don't ask.

Not really, not when you look at what the republican party actually claims to stand for, which is a smaller, less intrusive government.

There is no way in hell that can be right. That's what LIBERALS stand for. It could have been that was the case back a hundred years ago, but I am pretty sure nobody still claims that is what they stand for today. (Yes, I read your next line, but even so it nullifies your point.)

[Altima]

I myself am kind of anti-abortion in some cases. If a girl is raped I think that an abortion may be the best option so she doesn't have to have a rapists baby and possibly re-live the whole ordeal in the hospital.

On the other hand I don't think it should be ok for a 15 year old girl who was having sex without permission and gets pregnant should be able to have a baby without her parents permission. A lot of abortions may be done just so that the daughter of some family doesn't have to tell her parents that she's been sleeping around.

As for the stem cell research I haven't watched too much about it on curing diseases or cloning things, although I have seen the cloned sheep and what not.

The fact is the government just wants to know everthing a person does whether it be on the internet or on their phone lines and they use terrorism protection as an excuse.

I did sign as a republican my final year at high school (School made us sign to have 100% sign rate for some stupid reason) I am now not seeing myself as one. I suppose I am neither really. I never vote because it doesn't matter much anyway. A person will say anything to get into office but once they do they might not do what they said they would anyway.