Atheism

[Silly Girl]

Let me get one thing out of the clear here...
Atheists are not people without morals, they are people without morals that are handed to them. People who have their own sense of right and wrong based on their experiences. I don't think a lot of people really knew that, is all.

[Seifer]

I agree with this completely. I am an atheist and this is what I follow as well. The only difference we have is that we don't follow a common practice. I prefer being different anyway...

[Saberstar]

I knew about it, just a bit hard to explain. It's not also based on experiences, but your own view and opinion. Your views on judging things are from you, yourself, and not from others... Did that made sense? >_>

[Nereid]

Whoah...finally somebody who doesn't just view atheists as people who are too weak-minded to follow an "organized" religion.

[idgaf rpgfan]

Thank you Silly. I'm athiest and my morals are based on common sense, I'm smart enough to understand that morals are just something that helps ppl be around other ppl without problems. Religions use different methods of explaining them but basically they are all similar.

[Tiffany]

i have friends who are atheists...so i don't have any probs w/em

[Wallie Wildo]

mes an athiset ive been one for a while me glad to know some ^_^

mmm...:cheese

[Lancet Jades]

I have no problem with athiests. I myself an a Deist, which is actually somewhat silimar to an athiest, cept i DO beleive in God :p

[Wallie Wildo]

what exaccly is the simularitys?

mmm...:cheese

[Lancet Jades]

Well, Atheists don't beleive in God, or a higher power, so therefore they beleive humans must make their own choices, and its up to them to live, and maket he world a good place.

Deists beleive in God, or at least a higher power. There is no set template for being a Deist. They beleive humans must choose their own path, and make choices by themselves. They don't follow the Bible, or have any kind of "holy book," nor do they beleive in "organized" religion. At least thats my interpretation. Basically, being a Deist means beleiving in God in your own way. Not letting anyone, or anything else dictate to you what to do, and how to do it. Thats why i say Atheism and Deism are similar, except for the God part.

[Laggy]

...ok thats fine BUT, why cant i be chirstion and be following my own views bassed on what i've been through?..if you pick rather or not to be what you are because thats what you want to be bassed on your views, this is the same as me...though i think God is real, i dont follow church "laws" or rules, i am my own man that follows God...see noone of us say anything about you guys being wrong, but all you do is say how wrong we are, get you facts right ok bucause i go by what i go by, because of the same thing you do.

[Saberstar]

You believe in the bible, don't you?
I don't think we do, even for Lades religion.

[Laggy]

i know that, but i do because my views make me think its true, from what i've seen and stuff..not because someone told me to think it, so all of you are being dumb about one thing, you think that only you are following your views bassed on what you've been through, but so am i.

[Lancet Jades]

I don't think we do, even for Lades religion.
Huh? What about my religion?

[idgaf rpgfan]

Accually Laggy, I feel that you're following your own path, you choose to believe what you want.

[Laggy]

he's saying you dont believe in the bible, or somthing

and thanks rpgfan, i juts want peoeple to know that most everyone bass there views on what they think is right, and what they've seen or been through..but everyone acts like we HAVE to do it or somthing

[Saberstar]

Whatever your religion is, you believe what they say is right. On the other hand, you can also have your own views. I'd say that's a mix. And what about what you've been through. A lot of us has been through a lot. Some more then others, it's just a matter of time. The things that you have been through, I wouldn't compare it to your beliefs in religion in such. Instead, due to what you've been through. You've suppose to help others out due to this knowledge of yours or what not. An example, if you've gotten yourself dumped by a girl and decideds to suicide and end up not doing so. You are suppose to use this to help others who are having a smiliar problem. Telling then why it's worthless to kill themselves.

Lades, i'm just saying you don't follow what the bibles says. Do you?

[Lancet Jades]

Well, i beleive some in the Bible, but i don't take it literally. I have my own thoughts and beliefs about God, and i view the Bible as something that can be used to better yourself, as long as you can realize that even it can be flawed and imperfect.

And, organized religion is stupid. Religion..well...some religions are about your personal relationship with God. Joining a mass of people and listening to what someone who claims to be a "higher authority" than you is stupid.

[Laggy]

well i dont look up to anyone as if there a "higher authority" we are all the same, rather church folk, preacher, sinner..or whatnot everyone is in the same rank cause everyone is human, the preacher type im going to be is one that helps tell about the bible, but at the same time telling people that they do have to follow threre own ways and find there own views about it, my views are right for me, that doesnt make them right for everyone but the churches you talk about are the ones im saying have "church laws" and rules. and that not even i will follow.

so see, im the same in this being that i find my own views, and i too wont follow another human in this matter, i follow myself and God, and rather or not you have god, at leats you have youself (that goes for you guys that have high views of your own and put thought into what you think) <- whitch is all of you so far

[Saberstar]

Ah well, you said you follow no others but god. But the bible itself is most likely written by a human. Wouldn't that be following another person. Of course, if it's written by god, then that's another story. Although I doubt it.

"the preacher type im going to be is one that helps tell about the bible, but at the same time telling people that they do have to follow threre own ways and find there own views about it"

Well if that is the case, then there really isn't any need to tell them about the existance of god, etc. Because some has already choose what they believe in. Telling them this and that is just a way to change their beliefs.

[Laggy]

no, see i learn about many things, rather God or what ever...its good to know the things, IMO if you dont think God is real kenny, the best way to prov it would be for you to learn everything you can about it, then prove it wrong. that gores for anything, if you dont think its real, you should learn all about it just to prove it wrong

[idgaf rpgfan]

I've talked to a few preachers (or whatever you want to call them) and some just try to help ppl understand what the bible says, they don't force an interpertation on ppl. I've accually had some very fun debates with them, concidering that I'm athiest!

[Saberstar]

You can't proof something is wrong nor does it exist just like that. I doubt you yourself can proof that god exist, can you? Even if you do think he does, you can't be 100% sure that he does.
I've been to church before, I used to believe in the existance of god. But that was when I was little. As for now, I have doubts.

[idgaf rpgfan]

Kenny's right, you can't prove the existance of God, greater minds than ours have tried and failed. We need to just follow what we believe is right and allow other the respect in their beliefs that they deserve.

[Zelphiel]

...ok thats fine BUT, why cant i be chirstion and be following my own views bassed on what i've been through?...

nothing says that you can't do that. I have several friends that consider themselves to be loosely Christian, but they don't belong to or associate themselves with any particular denomination of the faith.

as for me, I'm not an atheist because I do believe (I like to think so anyway) that there is something more to the universe than what we can see or touch.

[Rick_dowg2099]

i think most people wish not to believe in God cus if he was real then thay would have to change there lives and not go on liveing the way thay see fit.. and for those of you that have to see it to believe it, well if you had seen-felt the things i have then you would but what is in your head is a big hard wall of unchanging lies witch keeps you from going out and SEEING that it is true and he is real..but not long ago in church a man had a word for me saying to stop pushing the fact that God is real on people and that thay in Gods time will see for there selves..so im done lol ill stop cus this is online and most of the people online dont ack like there selves thay ack like thay wish thay could irl and only listen to what is in there own heads lol..peace out

[Chicken Little]

uhhh...yeah..so everyone online is a poser then?? Im unclear on what you mean by that last statement?

I suppose it really depends on the individuals perspective about what is denoted as being apart of one religion and being split. I mean in extremes this could be fanatics choose to be fanatics of the religion but since they have made the choice and are following thier choice then they arent so much fanatics. That doesnt make much sense when you look at it does it?

[Silly Girl]

I'm more open about my feelings online, because if people want to diss them then I couldn't care less. But in person I'm way more respectful to others opinions. Although now I have to tell you that you are an idiot. I haven't felt what you have felt because I don't believe what you believe. Just think of all the people of other religions who are pitying you for believing in your false god... Even if there was a god, I doubt that the way it works is nothing like that which is preached by the bible and other religious books.

[Rick_dowg2099]

im the same online as i am irl, well i speek my mind more irl then online cus most people that get online ack older then thay are and ack like thay would be big enough to call me an idiot irl lol grrrr and when do you see ANYTHING happen for the good with people that believe in another God, duh you dont cus there IS only one God ill name 2 ways that i know MY God the ONE and ONLY God is real,1 iv been sooo high before and drunk and never fell down lol i go to the alter on sunday and the preacher points his hands twords me and starts to pray and i drop, not cus i feel like it grrr cus the power of god comes upon me its like passing out for a min can you tell me why that is? and make sence doing it? or 2 how about one time a preacher gave an alter call for the women that are trying to have babys but cant to come and get prayed over, he says a prayer over each of them in the NAME of God that if it is Gods will for the women that came to the alter to have babys then let it be, and 3-4 weeks later OVER half of the ladys that have been trying to have kids for years and couldent, got pregnent without going to see a Doc..?????can you tell me why that happend and make sence doing it????? no? ok dident think so, please dont wast your time posting nonsence after me, sometimes it is not me but you that looks like the idiot :bandito

[nightsavior]

i actually like how atheists take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming it on the "devil". i also like how they work to make the world a better place instead of just praying to a greater deity to do everything for them. of course i'm sure there are asshole atheists but the ones i know are good people. granted i believe in a higher power and do find comfort in worship and prayer but i don't care if others solve things and find happiness in a different way.

[Rick_dowg2099]

iv never blamed anything on the devil lol he might have had a hand in some things iv done but it was my falt for being weak, where do you see that atheists are (trying to make the world a better place)???? i really dont alot about atheists but from what iv seen thay are fast to judge and call names when the lil ppl know nothing of the person..atless christains keep a positeve mind set and dont go around bashing other ppl just cus thay have a comp screen to hid behind lol (not talking about me) cus im a mean speek his mind christain lol and dont like younger people very much lol...but really why be an atheist its nothing but a name slaped on a bounch of people that like to hate and go there own way, thay have no God no help in the time of need there just alone

[nightsavior]

well i know an atheist couple that run a soup kitchen. i also know an atheist that used to run a camp for disadvantaged people. every group has good ppl and bad ppl and i'm sure that includes atheism though i haven't met an atheist i didn't like yet.

[Rick_dowg2099]

ooook soup kitchin vs the 1.0000000000's of things out there that christains have for homeliss ppl , the groups that go out and clean up and fix houses after bad stormes, the 1.0000000's of dollors going to diffrent counterys for food and houses...?????now witch one looks like there trying to make the world a better place lloll....its kinda fun but i still dont like to argue your a cool guy night so lets drop it and wait for the crazy ones to come back for more hehe

[nightsavior]

i didn't know this was a comparison thread rick. i'm not trying to say atheists are better then christains i just said i get along with them ok and have known a few that have done some good things for people.

[Rick_dowg2099]

every thread gets off topic after the ppl see me post grrr..and dont u think that bin laden has done alot of nice things for his ppl? but where do you see him going

[nightsavior]

comparing bin laden to atheists in general is wrong simply because most atheists aren't criminals or terrorists. do i have to bring up good ol david coresh? remember he was a self proclaimed christain. there are crappy people in every group rick,even those groups that generally mean well. and if you think christainity hasn't done anything atrocious itself you need to read up on your history. during the crusades people killed in the name of god for the acqusition of wealth,land, and power. people were burned at the stake for witch craft merely for disagreeing with the church,and clergy believed drilling holes in peoples heads freed them from demons. now i'm not saying all christains did these things but many of them did. still, i don't judge christainity as a bad religion just because it had a few wackos. afterall their are good christains too. likewise you shouldn't judge all atheists as bad people. think about it there are atheists that posted in this thread. many of them are proably people you know or even call friend. are they awful people? remember what jesus said brotha "do not judge lest ye be judged yourself" "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone." that's good stuff from the new testament which came about to correct the mistakes in the "old" testament. if you are trully christain (which i'm pretty sure you are) you should rest assured it's up to god to judge all fairly and that we as flawed human beings were not meant to judge because we tend to make the wrong decisions.

[Lancet Jades]

Bin Laden isn't an Athiest, he's a Muslim.

[nightsavior]

yeah,i know lades. lol. which is why i thought the comparison was a bad one. still, even muslims are good people its just the terrorists groups that make them all look bad. to me this has become a moot point. you are of course entitled to your opinion rick just give me the freedom to be entitled to mine as well.

[Rick_dowg2099]

good point man, but im not judging i just have a prob with all iv been through in life to have lil people dis me like thay know wtf there talkin about lol grrr diss me on the street on a bad day not knowing me see if i dont let my old ways from the slap.a.hoe.tribe. come out lol...(not talking about you night lol) but im prolly gonna get banned soon so ill stop posting lolol peace out :weed

[nightsavior]

you really haven't done anything to get banned rick. it's ok to feel strongly about something so long as you also hear what other people have to say. trust me there have been people here that have posted some mad crazy smack and they're still around so i don't think you have to worry. lol.

[Saberstar]

but really why be an atheist its nothing but a name slaped on a bounch of people that like to hate and go there own way, thay have no God no help in the time of need there just alone

These people happen to rely on themselves over a being that who knows if it exist or not.
If you give up all your hope in believing that the higher being exist and can help you out, then sooner or later. Not matter how much you pray for what you want,etc and realize that you didn't get it. It's just false hope. Waste of time. On the other hand, what you could had done, is rely on yourself. Or at least friends or relatives helping you out.

[idgaf rpgfan]

...but really why be an atheist its nothing but a name slaped on a bounch of people that like to hate and go there own way, thay have no God no help in the time of need there just alone
Sorry Rick but your off the mark a touch, as an athiest I personally avoid hatred, I don't want to give someone that much of my time and energy, and when I'm in need, I look to myself and friends and family for the strength and support that I need.

[Laggy]

see, but ok..atheism isnt a group, its one for one, if it was a group you would be a denomination which is what you all hate about churches and such, now..being your alone and not a group, how can you tell anyone what a true athiest is? because your alone and in your views are..just you, and so is every other athiest right?...

all of them think somthing else, so you cant really say rick is wrong, or i am wrong because the thing is we arent, you can tell us how you are in your atheism but you cant say that others are the same..there are 1000's of athiests and almost none of them think the same..fight that all you want, but it is very true

[idgaf rpgfan]

You are absolutely correct in saying that athiests aren't a group, the only thing that most have in common is their lack of belief in a god. But to claim that they are into hatred is a major sterotype.

[Laggy]

well, some are...alot are ..but not all, i have known alot of nice athiests..but me and rick have seen and met alot of very mean ones that wanted nothing but fights...so you have to understand, and this goes for rick, and everyone,..it doesnt matter! rather christain, atheist, or what ever the hell is out there (i could list them all day..)
none of that matters when it comes to love, hate, peace, nothing like that..it only makes you part of who you are, but it is who you are that makes you good or bad or how ever you'd like to put it...its not up to what race,sex,denomination,group,ty pe...

its up to you.

[Saberstar]

There is no ,definite, answer as to all Atheist are good. I mean, there are obviously non-good ones. This applies to everything else. It has always been and most likely will always end up staying this way. And of course, what you think, say and do; you might think it's right but that's what YOU think. I mean, there are others thinking it's okay to have sex and do drugs below the age of 18. They themselves might think it's okay but others doesn't. No one can be sure who is right...

[Link]

I'm pretty much an athiest myself...but the kind that go around yelling at everyone about it i dont like. religion should be personal and kept to your self....which makes me hate even more those annoying missionarys....and especially people that tell me i'm gonna go to hell. you know it really shold just be kept to yourself, if you have a problem with someone's religion just go away from them and forget them, its not your descision to change their outlook on life.

[nightsavior]

i respect people that rather solve problems on their own rather then pray to a diety to fix things for them. that is why i respect at least the good atheists i know. however i am very spiritual. it's just i think everyone should walk their own path of enlightenment.

[Lancet Jades]

True, but although i am religious, i dont rely on "God" to solve my problems. Instead, i ask him to help me solve them myself.

[Ricdeau]

I have all the beliefs of an atheist, but I tend not to call myself one anymore, because It is classed as a religion, which I don't want to have. There are so many stereotypes about atheists and how they all hate everything like Rick said, so I just wana keep away from that. I have no religion :|

[Lancet Jades]

Whether you call yourself an Atheist or not, you still are one. Everyone has a religion, even if its Atheist (no religion). It isnt technically a religion, but still classified as one, the same way black and white arent colors, but are still classified as ones.