Taking back EF

[Lancet Jades]

I've noticed over the past few months, a lot of older people have left EF, and a lot of the ones that make stayed have grown tired of it, for various reasons. I know people are sick of all the fighting, the spam, and other such things, and I've left it alone too long.

So, I'm asking you, what do you see wrong with EF? If you're getting tired of it, or don't find it fun, why? (Without naming names, please, if you refer to someone, chances are I'll know who it is anyways).

And if you have any suggestions for how to make EF better, and fun once again, post them. But, don't forget, if you want EF to "Be fun, like it used to be," you have to put effort into it too, by trying to make new threads, post, and so on. I'll do my best to help make EF better as a leader, but unless the members pitch in and try, it won't do any good.

PS: I've taken care of the problem with MC, so don't mention that >.>

[Qween B]

MC D-....nvm. Well yeah the fighting, gotta stop. duh we know that.
harder rule inforcment like i said, lay down the law. make them pheer with great pheer.

More fun topics maybe? not all, lets debate and kill each other. i dont mind debating but yanno somtimes it seems to get ugly. so maybe we can have more assorted things? I try somtimes with telling people about my day or the such as boring as it might be, but i like making friends here, and i think its a good way to get to know each other. Variety: try it out.

maybe the gates of hell forum just has to go? i kinda dont see it being beneficial really, i think ive mentioned that before, more trouble than its worth. if people are angry or upset why cant they just say they are in a post once, and take it to a pm if the problem persists? or atleast encourage people to take it to PM's more often.

sounds kind of lame but maybe we can make a thread for people to list 10 things that they enjoy talking about and see what we get? it might help make new good threads.

[[PhiberOpticks]]

I think Gates of Hell should go. That's where most of our conflicts spawn.

[Lancet Jades]

MC D-....nvm. Well yeah the fighting, gotta stop. duh we know that.
harder rule inforcment like i said, lay down the law. make them pheer with great pheer.

More fun topics maybe? not all, lets debate and kill each other. i dont mind debating but yanno somtimes it seems to get ugly. so maybe we can have more assorted things? I try somtimes with telling people about my day or the such as boring as it might be, but i like making friends here, and i think its a good way to get to know each other. Variety: try it out.

maybe the gates of hell forum just has to go? i kinda dont see it being beneficial really, i think ive mentioned that before, more trouble than its worth. if people are angry or upset why cant they just say they are in a post once, and take it to a pm if the problem persists? or atleast encourage people to take it to PM's more often.

sounds kind of lame but maybe we can make a thread for people to list 10 things that they enjoy talking about and see what we get? it might help make new good threads.
If you want to see a thread like that, then make it yourself >.>

And yeah, I might try at least temporarily closing the Gates, though in my experience, a forum like that is neccessary to really keep the peace in the long run.

If you have ideas for threads, don't post them here, go and make the threads >.>

[Qween B]

well i know i am gonna make threads and such i was just throwing out more ideas and letting other people see mine. i dont wanna make a new one just yet, i want all the conflict to kinda die down a bit first, maybe ill feel safer about it in a day or so.

[Pinkie Pie]

Too much drama, for one thing. People seem far too quick to launch into personal rants and insults in what otherwise might be fun and interesting discussions. Debates can get heated, and there's nothing wrong with that. But personal vendettas against other members for whatever reason to the point where they argue with each other for the sake of it is getting old. I don't really think I'm excluded from this, neccesarily, and I'll do my best to change that on my behalf.

It's hard to mention this without being specific, but the personality swings of one of the members is really starting to scare me.

On that note, it's of course going to be inevitable that there will be people who don't get along or just plain don't like each other for one reason or another. People's opinions for one another can also change, for better or worse, and to try to force make-ups can sometimes only make things worse.

The spam outside of the appropriate forums has also been getting out of hand lately. I know that we're pretty lenient on it usually, but when a discussion thread almost derails into something worthy of spammyland, it's just gone too far.

There are a rather small number of members actually posting on a regular basis. While this isn't really something easily avoided, it's discouraging when the majority of posts on a forum are made by three or four people a day. And when this combines with the above complaint, it really doesn't help.

Quite personally, I'd rather the above thing was fixed by bringing back older members than bringing in newer ones, but that's probably not going to happen, at least not immediately.

I think that what's beginning to happen to EF may be inevitable. We're no longer a small forum, and the feeling of knowing everyone just isn't going to be there the more members we get. It's a sacrifice that's made in exchange for popularity, I suppose.

All in all, I think what probably summarizes things is this :

A lot of the "family" that EF originally felt like has left, and those left are gradually succumbing to drama, either with their generation of members, new members, or both. This isn't to say that new members are less valuble than the "original" ones, or that we shouldn't have them. But the more members we get, the harder it is to feel that same familial unity that I at least felt at this place before.

EDIT : Closing the Gates is a very bad idea. Not letting fights run their course only causes the vendettas I referred to earlier to start or to worsen. I think the stricter version of the Gates we have now is fine.

[Dionne]

I think that the fighting has gotten out of control. It's absolutely ridiculous the things that people are fighting over these days. This place used to be so peaceful. I honestly don't understand.

Without the fighting, I think that things would go a lot smoother around here. When I come here, I feel so uptight and nervous for the fear that I might say the wrong thing and set someone off. That's the only real thing that gets to me anymore. I feel like I can't be myself because I don't want to hurt anyone, or in turn, get myself hurt.


EDIT: I agree with Tessa on the "no longer a small forum" thing. Because we were once a small forum, everyone felt as if they knew each other, and there was a very homey feeling. Because there are so many new people who don't care, they aren't taking the time to show us who they are or become part of that family that we once had. I also believe that the older members are being stereotypical (me, at least) and don't want to know the new members because they aren't part of the family or they don't want the intrusion.

[cid]

haven't been around, but, i'm 'round now :p

[The Deity]

Closing the Gates would be the worst administrative thing you could do. Acting like things are meant to "get out of hand" in there is rediculous. Only when things like that can really be finish if chaos has insued. Just be glad that this isn't GWs and every thread in there becomes time for a group of regulars to noob bash. Let your forum serve its purpose and just don't over react.

I understand your viewpoint John, I just disagree completely. Sometimes the saying "the government that governs least, governs best" is true.

haven't been around, but, i'm 'round now :p

Well you picked a grand time.

[Lancet Jades]

Closing the Gates would be the worst administrative thing you could do. Acting like things are meant to "get out of hand" in there is rediculous. Only when things like that can really be finish if chaos has insued. Just be glad that this isn't GWs and every thread in there becomes time for a group of regulars to noob bash. Let your forum serve its purpose and just don't over react.

I understand your viewpoint John, I just disagree completely. Sometimes the saying "the government that governs least, governs best" is true.



Well you picked a grand time.
The main thing I'm upset with you about regarding the thread is WHY you felt it so neccessary to post about it. All technical reasoning aside, I can't see any potential good it could have done, only all the bad things it could have, and did, cause. Just because something is "within the rules" doesn't make it right, y'know?

As for the Gates, I would never close it completly. At most, I'd close it for a few days just to keep people out of it, and thats only if everyone agrees to drop past strife and try to make EF fun again, like it used to be.

And I agree that a government that governs least, governs best. Its my philosophy that the government's purpose is to serve its constituents, and nothing else. But I'm EF's leader. I'm more than the "government." Its my job to do what I feel is best for EF, in acordance with the opinions and feelings of the people whenever possible, since it is the members that make this site great, not me.

[Rainbow Dash]

For the record, you may always name my name, it actually annoys me more when you don't use it and I have to guess you're talking about me.

I've actually been working on ideas to rebuild EF. That "HandOfGod LS" button on the banner is one of them - the people in my LS in FFXI would be a great addition to this site. I'm tossing other ideas around in my head as well.

[Miles]

*Holds hand up* I'm helping! Honest I am, Johnny!! I'm posting good but random threads all over the place so peoples can talk about...Whatever the thread is about. There are points to them ^_^ Of courses but I'm ruddy fed up or all this STUPID arguing! So shut up and post in my darn threads or I'll be gunnin'

[Zelphiel]

harder rule inforcment like i said, lay down the law. make them pheer with great pheer.

the only time it makes sense to do that is when a member or group of members needs it to happen to them. part of the reason a lot of people like EF is because we aren't uptight with the rules all the time like the staff at other forums is.


anyway... the only suggestion I can give to you guys that don't like the direction has gone (at least half of you are to blame for the way it went so don't even start with pointing fingers at anyone) is putting forth an honest effort to make it what you want it to be. admins can only do so much as far as what a forum turns into. 75% of forum content is up to the members that post in it. If you want more topics of a certain type, such as the gaming threads 'the old ef' thrived on, find your way into the gaming sector and make them. I've tried on several occasions to bump old threads and start lots of new ones (sometimes several new ones in every last game genres forum at once) and they got little to no attention from the vast majority of the members. If you honestly want EF to be something besides a haven for spam and bickering over pointless shit then don't bother... but if I see an honest attempt from some members to turn it back into what it used to be I'll do everything I can to help.



The thing about the gates. We made that forum for a reason... to settle arguments between each other that can't fit in the normal forum. If you don't like the gates or the topics posted in it the easiest way to avoid them is to not view them. Just because the forum is there doesn't mean you have to look in it every time someone makes a topic.



On the topic of older members feeling like they don't know anyone anymore... I think that translates into most of the topics not being interesting to them. Back in the days when they were active (some such as Leknaat and Kaffee being active as hell) at least half of all the threads being posted in had at least something to do with gaming. A lot of the huge posters would probly come back (or those that are still here would start posting more again) if the topics were like they used to be. The number of new members that join and stay beyond posting once has also considerably slowed down since the gaming threads more or less stopped too. I don't think it's a coincidence.


I'm not asking for a flood of threads all at once... The only members that have really ever done a massive flood of gaming threads all at once are me and Laggy. Start out slow and try to start one or two gaming threads per week. After a while the number of threads of that type will build back up and we'll have a decent percentage of them floating around in the new posts list.

[Rainbow Dash]

What we really need though is to find a topic we can tap into that isn't hostile, yet ever-renewing. Video games are great, but talkiing about them can get tiring when there arent many new ones being released. If I could force you all to join FFXI that would work beautifully, since there's always something to talk about there, but that won't work now will it?

Something else I forgot to mention in my other post is that I disagree wholeheartedly with this:


The spam outside of the appropriate forums has also been getting out of hand lately. I know that we're pretty lenient on it usually, but when a discussion thread almost derails into something worthy of spammyland, it's just gone too far.


THAT is where problems occur. Forcing people to be serious is almost always a bad idea. Everything is better with humor, unless it is a solemn situation or the humor interferes with the overall objective. It was the sense of humor here that caused me to stay.

We have to focus on where the problem lies (not who it lies with, but WHERE.) We dont see spammylnd turning into a warzone (I'm going to have to spite myself on that.) The recreation room, very few problems. Video game foums, one or two. But when we get into the serious forums, such as DT, Politics, and Religon, that is where the most problems occur.

In short: The problem is that we are too serious. I'll be trying my hardest to work on this as well, but this is something that all of us need to learn to do... Drop it.

[king kuppy]

Before, I liked to play the RPG and in the arcade. But i understand why we can't brign those back.

[Night]

We don't need to just "drop it" we need to sort it out, everybody needs to man up and move on.

People shouldn't be forced to be serious, but please leave the modding to the mods. I don't think anyone else needs to enforce the rules. You all probably know what specific incident I'm referring to, but I see it all over. People using the rules as leverage for personal attacks.

I get tired of seeing Video Game threads, but theyre good in decent quantities. I say we should recreate a family feeling (I pretty much missed out on it) by posting more personal threads, such as Holly and Qween have been doing.

[Kaffee]

I know me and Krystle haven't been on as much, but we still like coming here. I really don't get involved with the drama, I just like talking about games, books and Movies. I'll try and make a better effort to post. Can't speak for Krystle however, she's too busy playing Suikoden V at the moment.

[Lancet Jades]

I know me and Krystle haven't been on as much, but we still like coming here. I really don't get involved with the drama, I just like talking about games, books and Movies. I'll try and make a better effort to post. Can't speak for Krystle however, she's too busy playing Suikoden V at the moment.
Well, make sure you make her post whenever she's not playing it >.>


I'm glad to see a lot of other members are willing to try and help improve EF. We may have gone off track at some point, but if we can get back on track, I think we'll have a chance at being a truly excellent site once again.

[Dark Marmosett]

I never get tired of EF. Its actually a way to get away from real life. I'm actually glad to be here and not leave like the others.

[Seifer]

>_> I'm an old man.

*Cough cough*

[Laggy]

I have said far too many times that I was back, and far too many times I didnt come back, so I wont even say it this time... but today I will make a couple topics and try to post a little in favor of helping EF, and not dieing (Lades said he'd kill me!) so here I be

[Dionne]

I think Ginni and I just realized the real problem here. Laggy was the life of this forum. After he left, it all went downhill from there. We need our Johnny Depp to continue. You can't say Evermore and not think of Laggy. It's just not right. It can't be. It's all your fault, YOU LOSER!

[[PhiberOpticks]]

Yeah, I myself need to quit pointing out rule violations. Just use the report button!

[Laggy]

I think Ginni and I just realized the real problem here. Laggy was the life of this forum. After he left, it all went downhill from there. We need our Johnny Depp to continue. You can't say Evermore and not think of Laggy. It's just not right. It can't be. It's all your fault, YOU LOSER!
Im always blamed for things around here :(

this site can do just fine without me, so long as somebody can just know that a forum site needs threads to keep going, so everybody needs to try hard to make threads... thats all I ever did...

[[PhiberOpticks]]

Now lets not pull the pity card here. Now of course the forum could survive without you, however, you do have a legacy here, and I'm sure many people here would be sad to see you go. And I'm sensing some other old issues about to rise from the dead, so lemme just say, let's not talk about wrongs done to us in the past. Let's just keep to the close-to-current issues.

[Dionne]

I was just kidding, anyways. Goodness, people. It's not Laggy's fault at all. It's everyone's. I don't know what to do anymore. I think it's getting a little out of control.

[[PhiberOpticks]]

It's not Laggy's fault at all. It's everyone's.

Can we all at least agree on that?

[Laggy]

Now lets not pull the pity card here. Now of course the forum could survive without you, however, you do have a legacy here, and I'm sure many people here would be sad to see you go. And I'm sensing some other old issues about to rise from the dead, so lemme just say, let's not talk about wrongs done to us in the past. Let's just keep to the close-to-current issues.
legacy maybe, but not any more than lath, lades, cawky, kaffee, fly and many others that hell, I always looked up to... without them EF would have been so boring I'da left long ago XD

PS: who are you, again? Im not sure what old issues could arise but I assure you that I have no beef with anybody here

[Seifer]

>_> I blame Laggy for being Laggy. How dare you Laggy =O

[Laggy]

>_> I blame Laggy for being Laggy. How dare you Laggy =O
*cries*

[Seifer]

There there Laggy, you can make it all better. Just make Seifer your patron deity and all is well.

[Rainbow Dash]

I've looked over the threads of olde since you left...

Laggy, you're freaking insane! You literally made EVERY possible topic in the Rec room! INSANITY I SAY!

[Dionne]

Didn't he, though? He was the bestest. He should come back. His absense depresses me.

[Laggy]

lmao... Im still making more I just have to think... the rec room could be flooded if my head wasnt hurting so bad -.-;;

[Lancet Jades]

lmao... Im still making more I just have to think... the rec room could be flooded if my head wasnt hurting so bad -.-;;
Yep, eventually you will be drawn back into EF. The gods decree it so!

[Travisblaze]

You know what needs to be done and there is sound evidence right in this thread, that is people need to stop jumping off topics like since when did this become a "Cheer Laggy up" thread instead of a what needs to be done to benefit EF thread and that is a start, stay on topic within the thread, don't jump around, that is what spammyland is for.

[Laggy]

You know what needs to be done and there is sound evidence right in this thread, that is people need to stop jumping off topics like since when did this become a "Cheer Laggy up" thread instead of a what needs to be done to benefit EF thread and that is a start, stay on topic within the thread, don't jump around, that is what spammyland is for.
going off topic made EF what it is, it is how we (the older emmbers) got to know eachother so well, putting a stop to that is as good as closing the doors of EF all together, but I knew someone would say it, every time I come around people get pissed because I was missed, everybody hates it because they know that if they left, they may not be as missed as me.

[Lancet Jades]

Laggy has a point. I don't mind if we go off topic like this. We're still more or less on the topic. It isnt like someone came in here and randomly said "I like eggs!"

Though, I'd like to know if you (tblaze) have any suggestions for EF.

[Rainbow Dash]

I've been to gaia several times, but that place is just screwed up. Every thread I make gets deleted, and 80% of the members don't have the common sense to not make a thread asking what is going to happen next without expecting spoilers, or making topics such as:

Should Cocaine be legalized? (After 3 pages nobody had said no)
poll (contents: WHICH STAR WARES CHARACTER DO YOU LIKE BESET WAKAKAKA)
Jesus christ is your lord, shitholes!
A thread about marijuana legalization saying that if you haven't tried it you dont deserve to post.

Those are primarily in the Extended discussion forum. The gaming forum has about 6000 threads per day about runescape or battleonline and 30 threads per day about other things.

I know you're above that, Laggy.

If the topics there interest you so much, bring the topics over here.

[Laggy]

well... I do like eggs >_>

[Travisblaze]

Do I the "great" Tblaze have suggestions for EF, I wish I did but I'm from NJ and we are humble folk who now their place, nah, but seriously, what needs to be done, I agree with Qween and a few of the other members is that people need to stop taking things so seriously and staring internet feuds, because internet feuds are like the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. and thats my two cents, peace.

[Rainbow Dash]

That special olympics thing doesnt apply anymore. An idea is an idea no matter how its expressed.

[Laggy]

I've been to gaia several times, but that place is just screwed up. Every thread I make gets deleted, and 80% of the members don't have the common sense to not make a thread asking what is going to happen next without expecting spoilers, or making topics such as:

Should Cocaine be legalized? (After 3 pages nobody had said no)
poll (contents: WHICH STAR WARES CHARACTER DO YOU LIKE BESET WAKAKAKA)
Jesus christ is your lord, shitholes!
A thread about marijuana legalization saying that if you haven't tried it you dont deserve to post.

Those are primarily in the Extended discussion forum. The gaming forum has about 6000 threads per day about runescape or battleonline and 30 threads per day about other things.

I know you're above that, Laggy.

If the topics there interest you so much, bring the topics over here.its not about the topics there, you all should be able to guess that... after being here at EF so long I got tired of topics, I made so many of them, posted in many more... left for a LOOONG time and still have the most posts here

I meet more people there, I mean yeah I love you guys but I have 100's of friends on gaia, + I also have a lot of gold and items, its a game to me in which I like to play, and I stay out of all the debating forums (which post of you can remember me not enjoying while I was here) there is a lot to do on gaia that nobody here will understand because they wont give it a chance... but overall I have real life friends that I have known for 5-8 years that go to gaia... its just cool to me

I THINK you meant gaia, anyway o.o

[Rainbow Dash]

well... I do like eggs >_>
Yeah, I prefer hard oiled eggs or scrambled eggs... *stops spamming now*

its not about the topics there, you all should be able to guess that... after being here at EF so long I got tired of topics, I made so many of them, posted in many more... left for a LOOONG time and still have the most posts here

I meet more people there, I mean yeah I love you guys but I have 100's of friends on gaia, + I also have a lot of gold and items, its a game to me in which I like to play, and I stay out of all the debating forums (which post of you can remember me not enjoying while I was here) there is a lot to do on gaia that nobody here will understand because they wont give it a chance... but overall I have real life friends that I have known for 5-8 years that go to gaia... its just cool to me

I THINK you meant gaia, anyway o.o
Yeah, this is Yvl, in case you didn't know from my staff title and that whole post. I remembered your farewell trhead wrong, you had said the topics here didn't interest you anymore, I thought you had said the topics at gaia interest you more than the topics here.

Anyway, you've had your damn break, back to work slave!

[Laggy]

Yeah, I prefer hard oiled eggs or scrambled eggs... *stops spamming now*


Yeah, this is Yvl, in case you didn't know from my staff title and that whole post. I remembered your farewell trhead wrong, you had said the topics here didn't interest you anymore, I thought you had said the topics at gaia interest you more than the topics here.

Anyway, you've had your damn break, back to work slave!
I thought it was you XD

thing is I just know what forums I fit in there, and I know how the mods work (friends with most of them) so I have no trouble... matter of fact I almost became a mod once but I thought it out and well, I didnt want to do it XD

[Rainbow Dash]

I'm sure the same can be said about EF.

Anyway, back when I WAS posting in both forums actively, I would smuggle threads from one site to the other (mostly from Gaia to here) and that worked quite well. That's what I was proposing, dont know if you got that though.

[Laggy]

yeah, but in all the forums I post in, the only *good* threads are those I made here already and started there XP

nah but really, there arent many threads I could take from the places I post, all of them are forums based on gaia itself, lol

[Leknaat]

As long as the drama stays to a minimum...I'm good. Time is another factor and limited access to internet. I try to get on at least once a day and check in on things since I AM a S-mod and all lol. Certain members agitate me time to time but it's nothing that I'm going to get bent out of shape over. I'm sure I've agitated some of these members myself. The only thing I ever ask is if I EVER do something that upsets them...that they talk to me about it. I won't bite..I promise.

[Lancet Jades]

As long as the drama stays to a minimum...I'm good. Time is another factor and limited access to internet. I try to get on at least once a day and check in on things since I AM a S-mod and all lol. Certain members agitate me time to time but it's nothing that I'm going to get bent out of shape over. I'm sure I've agitated some of these members myself. The only thing I ever ask is if I EVER do something that upsets them...that they talk to me about it. I won't bite..I promise.
*waits for Fly to make a joke about the "I won't bite" part* >.>

Speaking of activity...do you still wanna be an s-mod, or do you wanna just be bumped down to regular mod?

[Seifer]

If you need mods I'm here wink >_> wink nudge nudge

No.

[Rainbow Dash]

That was very odd... That laggy posting session... There was nothing that he did that anyone else couldn't have done, yet everyone was practically having a festival.

You definately have alot of charisma, Laggy.

[Laggy]

That was very odd... That laggy posting session... There was nothing that he did that anyone else couldn't have done, yet everyone was practically having a festival.

You definately have alot of charisma, Laggy.
I know, and its what I have told people all along, if you make threads, they will post

[Seifer]

Everyone wants to be in Laggy's pants, its part of nature.

[Rainbow Dash]

I know, and its what I have told people all along, if you make threads, they will post
No, it wasn't even that... I've MADE threads. What you have is Charisma, I've seen it once before... its a very rare trait, and its not replacable.

[The Deity]

THAT is where problems occur. Forcing people to be serious is almost always a bad idea. Everything is better with humor, unless it is a solemn situation or the humor interferes with the overall objective. It was the sense of humor here that caused me to stay.


No, there are things that have to be taken serious. As a matter of fact, I think that the promised "crackdown" on spam in DT has slumped. You people need to realize conflict and disagreement are not bad. Just listen to the other sides. I don't want to just kick back and have shits and giggles all the time. If we're going to discuss poilitics we'd better do it seriously.

I know me and Krystle haven't been on as much, but we still like coming here. I really don't get involved with the drama, I just like talking about games, books and Movies. I'll try and make a better effort to post. Can't speak for Krystle however, she's too busy playing Suikoden V at the moment.

Holly Hell? That's already out?

*bambards Gamestop*

There there Laggy, you can make it all better. Just make Seifer your patron deity and all is well.

Dey tuk meh job

going off topic made EF what it is, it is how we (the older emmbers) got to know eachother so well, putting a stop to that is as good as closing the doors of EF all together, but I knew someone would say it, every time I come around people get pissed because I was missed, everybody hates it because they know that if they left, they may not be as missed as me.

And you thought I was pompous.

Not to shed light against the Great Laggy, but I hardly think he's deserving of being given credit for the slump of EF after he left. The slump did not start until well after he left. Don't give him too much power. He may have been the Babe Ruth of Evermore, but baseball still survived.

[Rainbow Dash]

Conflict and disagreement are natural, but too much of it causes problems, as we have seen. Disagreement I can handle, conflict is a greater degree of disagreement and should be minimized.

[Chicken Little]

*waits for Fly to make a joke about the "I won't bite" part* >.>

Speaking of activity...do you still wanna be an s-mod, or do you wanna just be bumped down to regular mod?

i am so above those childish antics...plus it should be automatically implied that the remark has been made. ;)

[Dionne]

Everyone wants to be in Laggy's pants, its part of nature.
I won't deny it.

[Night]

Laggy has a point. I don't mind if we go off topic like this. We're still more or less on the topic. It isnt like someone came in here and randomly said "I like eggs!" I agree. Going off-topic is not a one way ticket to hell. Just as conversations get off topic so should a thread, if you want to know people in a conversational manner, which I do.

I agree that Laggy wasn't the whole site. I came after he slowed down, and I still loved it. Something has changed, and he can help, but he isnt the whole.

[Laggy]

And you thought I was pompous.

Not to shed light against the Great Laggy, but I hardly think he's deserving of being given credit for the slump of EF after he left. The slump did not start until well after he left. Don't give him too much power. He may have been the Babe Ruth of Evermore, but baseball still survived.
I was only talking on the fact that every time I come back somebody says somthing that sounds as if its a bad thing, that that my name shouldnt even be spoken in a good way... normally it is you that says these things XD

but I agree with you, EF can do just fine without me, and has many times... though when I AM here there are a lot more topics about, it seems.

but I dont take credit for EF in any way at all, I dont know why it can die down and get boring, than when I am around some people start posting more... I guess I am loved, or somthing...

[Rainbow Dash]

I agree. Going off-topic is not a one way ticket to hell. Just as conversations get off topic so should a thread, if you want to know people in a conversational manner, which I do.

I agree that Laggy wasn't the whole site. I came after he slowed down, and I still loved it. Something has changed, and he can help, but he isnt the whole.
I can even tell you this site wasn't what it was by the time you got active. It wasn't just him, but we definately need alot of the old members back. Most of them have no excuse.

[Laggy]

I agree. Going off-topic is not a one way ticket to hell. Just as conversations get off topic so should a thread, if you want to know people in a conversational manner, which I do.

I agree that Laggy wasn't the whole site. I came after he slowed down, and I still loved it. Something has changed, and he can help, but he isnt the whole.
not just me, there were a lot of us... we were like a family and when there was a thread, we posted in it 2-7 pages a night, I guess we had nothing better to do... I remember a time when lath and I made 10 or so pages of new topics for everybodies enjoyment... and they all got posted in... now if we made that many, only half if that would be active. I dont think that it is because of who is here now, or the lack of those who use to be here (cawky and I no doubt posted a lot) I think that we have just maybe run out of some of the better ideas.... many threads should be bumped back up I think. or even remade... we could also maybe come up with new forums if we can think of anything, we need to find out what everybody likes these days, use to be spammyland threads, my flood of threads in the rec room like have been seen today, and gaming topics... but it seems to me that with a new group of people, we need a new group of topics to catch everybodies eye

if every active user made 1 topic about somthing they truly loved, we'd have a lot to talk about and it wouldnt be the same ol' thing over and over again (well, maybe some of it)

so the question at hand is, how do we make EF better... well, I think we need to encourage everybody to make at least 1 thread to start with... then maybe 1 thread a week, or 1 thread a day... keep things moving around here

that is all I ever did, I didnt let gaia go without a new thread very long, people get bored and want somthing else to talk about

[Rainbow Dash]

so the question at hand is, how do we make gaia better...
O.O;;

[Laggy]

O.O;;
that is a mistake I will be making here and there... please dont mind my lack of mind

[Quel Thalas]

On the topic of older members feeling like they don't know anyone anymore... I think that translates into most of the topics not being interesting to them. Back in the days when they were active (some such as Leknaat and Kaffee being active as hell) at least half of all the threads being posted in had at least something to do with gaming. A lot of the huge posters would probly come back (or those that are still here would start posting more again) if the topics were like they used to be. The number of new members that join and stay beyond posting once has also considerably slowed down since the gaming threads more or less stopped too. I don't think it's a coincidence.


I'm not asking for a flood of threads all at once... The only members that have really ever done a massive flood of gaming threads all at once are me and Laggy. Start out slow and try to start one or two gaming threads per week. After a while the number of threads of that type will build back up and we'll have a decent percentage of them floating around in the new posts list.


Cutting out that which doesn't apply too much to my post...

This actually explains somewhat why I left, other than just losing interest in all forums, intarwebia wide. Granted I've been here since... err... a long time ago, and I hadn't logged in for ~5 months, if there were other threads for me to answer (and yes, I've made threads. I've just run out of ideas. Then again, i've never been big on making threads) I'd prolly be interested in sticking around here. Other than the lack of interesting threads, I found the general spammish nature of a large part of the forums, combined with the drama that a few folks created back in the day, quite deadfully annoying. And that just flat got unbearable.
Atleast though, a *few* faces are around that I still recognize. But meh.

But yeah. Less spam, 0 drama, and more threads on obsolete games, and I'll likely become a semi-regular...meh...

[Rainbow Dash]

If you think this place is spammy... you really SHOULD go to Gaia, just to see what a truly spammed up place is like.

[Quel Thalas]

Ive been there before. I know how spammy it is.

[Laggy]

If you think this place is spammy... you really SHOULD go to Gaia, just to see what a truly spammed up place is like.
did you ever make the mistake of going into the chatterbox? XD

its the spammyland of gaia when gaia is already like our spammyland, its a scary place

[Rainbow Dash]

Ohh yeah. I went there for some noob bashing, but the noobs were gone before I could even bash them.

[Travisblaze]

Noobs or Newbs? Whats the difference? Well anyway, I'm tapped but I suggest we should try to get members with more interests other than RPGs, no offense, I like sports but there only like two other members here who like sports as well, Deity and well, no just Deity, as far as I know.

[Zelphiel]

QUEL!!!

I figured you were dead or something. :P



anyway... nobody can be forced to make new threads or anything like that but like laggy said... if you try to start making one or two threads per week there will be a significant buildup after a while if everyone that's posting in this thread does it.

[Midnight]

Hmmm....I've been gone too long. Perhaps I should pay more attention.

[Gravity]

Hmmm....I've been gone too long. Perhaps I should pay more attention.

Same...

Is it the growing amount of members' fault? Or is the older members? Who knows, everyone probably "did a part", which together grew up to this.

I haven't paid much attention to EF lately, but I will help with what I can, like posting topics if I get an idea.

[Leknaat]

Speaking of activity...do you still wanna be an s-mod, or do you wanna just be bumped down to regular mod?

Actually since my time is limited and I can't get on as much as I should maybe I should be bumped down to just a regular mod again and it should be given to someone who has more time to check in regularly. Don't worry I'll still be here but I think right now I could handle mod better than S-mod.

[Lancet Jades]

Actually since my time is limited and I can't get on as much as I should maybe I should be bumped down to just a regular mod again and it should be given to someone who has more time to check in regularly. Don't worry I'll still be here but I think right now I could handle mod better than S-mod.
Ok then.

We really don't NEED an s-mod at this point, so I think I'll wait a bit before deciding on a new one >.>

[Night]

Yeah, don't forget though, that I am Malicious Halfrican, for whoever said I wasn't here for any of the times being described. I caught the end, I think.

[Quel Thalas]

QUEL!!!

I figured you were dead or something. :P


Me? Dead? Phst. Just, ya'know, ignorant of all forums that weren't and aren't related to my addiciton <_<

[Day]

Let's see... I should stop telling my friends about this site, for one thing... I mean... Look at them.

I know some older members stopped posting as much, so we need more... Like let's see. Remember William? Members like that. More members! Whore EF out!

Closing the Gates? What the hell would that do? The Gates is a very important part of this site. If you got beef, you got beef. Gotta post it somewhere. In the end, they end up resolved(Well... Some cases).

Well, I dunno. Maybe this site is still great, we just need to let these recent events just pass. I think it's pretty much over now. Let's move on.

Yeah... Where'd all the videogame threads go anyway? More! >>

[Rainbow Dash]

Yeah... Where'd all the videogame threads go anyway? More! >>
My question is where did all the video games go? But as laggy said, you have to start threads if you want there to be threads.

[Day]

Well you know. My activity is gonna be alot less in the next few days >>. Of course I suppose I could have adressed that problem before I was grounded, but meh. I didn't have that in my mind >>

[Benzine]

I only read posts one and fourty, becuase I'm tired.

I won't name names or nothing, but that would mwean I can't post. If you wanna ask me Lades-sun, IM me.


Oh yeah. Closing the gates? No. That's dumb. Infact, I think the rules in there are to strict and need to be looked over, and discussed with the communtiy.

[Setzophone]

Yeah, I've never actually been terribly active here or anywhere to be perfectly honest. But I'll be sure to be here more than I used to.

[Cherubim1324]

The problem with EF is not a lack of any specific member or members in general, old or new. The problem with EF is that most of the members that are around on a regular basis either do not create new threads, do not post in threads of interest just because they are "old", create too many under the Sub-Forums in Anything Goes (http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26)(more specifically Spammyland (http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31)), or a combination of the three.
The problem with EF is not our Gates of Hell Forum (http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30). The problem with EF is that the ones who use it tend to abuse it.
The problem with EF is not the fact that we tend to go off-topic in some threads. The problem with EF is that people tend to make useless and/or annoying posts that contribute nothing to whatever is being discussed in the thread.
The problem with EF is not the fact that we disagree, debate, and argue over certain issues. The problem with EF is that a lot of the members here get too easily offended, especially over the smallest of things, as well as letting the plausible conflicts get out of hand in the wrong Forums instead of taking them to the proper Forum (http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30).
If members would start posting in old threads of interest or creating/recreating threads of interest(in places other than Spammyland (http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31) and most Forums under Anything Goes (http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26)), EF would be better off because of it. If members would stop abusing our Gates of Hell Forum (http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30) and use it as it was intended to be used, EF would be better of because of it. If members would stop making useless and/or annoying posts and make posts that contribute to whatever is being discussed in the thread they are posting in, EF would be better off because of it. If members would take their conflicts to the proper Forum (http://www.evermoreforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30) and work them out, or avoid conflicts by not engaging in them, EF would be better off because of it.

[Seifer]

^

I come here to avoid incredibly strict control. If people weren't allowed to post whatever they wanted wherever, this would just be another oppresive forum.

This is a place for fun after all >_>

[Benzine]

Wait.

I was under the impression that The Gates were a forum to take your flaming out of other forums, and then settle personal disputes between members in there. In my opinion, Johnny's rules are too strict in there. We have like one thread in there every month.

[Miles]

Well...To be honest. It's hard to create new threads at the moment that aren't all spammy. Every topic under the sun has already been created. I've been coming up with a few, as you've probly noticed...But it's not very easy. Believe me! It's not easy at all!
There's no new games to discuss and pretty much every game that can be talked about has already been discussed over and over again. hardly any posts when you post something about Anime or Manga and when it comes to serious discussions...You always get a group of three-four people who take over and yell at anyone who's got a different opinion to them. and before anyone starts, I'm not thinking of any members when saying that! It's true, alright!

It's just so difficult to make new threads...

[Lancet Jades]

Well, whether too strict or too leniant, the Gates rules definitely need to be revamped, because they obviously aren't adequate. I'm just not sure yet HOW to revise them =/

[Rainbow Dash]

Well, whether too strict or too leniant, the Gates rules definitely need to be revamped, because they obviously aren't adequate. I'm just not sure yet HOW to revise them =/
I dont really see that. The whole idea was started by MC (who isnt good at ideas) and Qweenie (who wants people to die without arguing about it I guess o.O) but I dont see any problems with it as it is.

Anyway, I have an idea. Because people wub new threads, I'm going to make it in a new thread as soon as this question is answered:

What is bandwith, anyway?

[Ashe]

interesting threads needed.... thats bout it for me... and no i cant create them if i dont think of something interesting which im bad at....

[Lancet Jades]

I dont really see that. The whole idea was started by MC (who isnt good at ideas) and Qweenie (who wants people to die without arguing about it I guess o.O) but I dont see any problems with it as it is.

Anyway, I have an idea. Because people wub new threads, I'm going to make it in a new thread as soon as this question is answered:

What is bandwith, anyway?
Look up bandwidth, dumbass :P

And I've been needing to redo the Gates rules for a while, they merely brought my attention to it again.

[Baka]

ah....I've decided to post here. My reasons for my inactivity is that I'm getting old >.> This place has always been like Neverland for me where I could always be a kid and stuff but even Peter Pan had to grow up (at least i thought he did) *shrugs* So yeah......It is rather confusing with all these new members as well. I remember when I first joined, there weren't that many of us and we were all pretty tight. I come back and it's all this bickering going on and crap. I remember the work days where i'd sit like i am now and just chat it up with Holly and Dionne in the shoutbox and flirt like crazy with Kimiko :) and me and Johnny would have are little tiffs of mutilating each other. *sigh* i miss those days >.>

[Chicken Little]

ah....I've decided to post here. My reasons for my inactivity is that I'm getting old >.> This place has always been like Neverland for me where I could always be a kid and stuff but even Peter Pan had to grow up (at least i thought he did) *shrugs* So yeah......It is rather confusing with all these new members as well. I remember when I first joined, there weren't that many of us and we were all pretty tight. I come back and it's all this bickering going on and crap. I remember the work days where i'd sit like i am now and just chat it up with Holly and Dionne in the shoutbox and flirt like crazy with Kimiko :) and me and Johnny would have are little tiffs of mutilating each other. *sigh* i miss those days >.>

im shocked and appaled that that the sexiest male in all of EF has been left out of Bakas acclaims... my ego cant take much more of this horrendus bruising!

But yes just wanted to say im glad you made the neverland referrence to peter pan or that would have been quite freaky sicne im struggling to picture an asian michael jackson....

[Baka]

im shocked and appaled that that the sexiest male in all of EF has been left out of Bakas acclaims... my ego cant take much more of this horrendus bruising!

But yes just wanted to say im glad you made the neverland referrence to peter pan or that would have been quite freaky sicne im struggling to picture an asian michael jackson....
haha must we find a photoshop picture of an asian michael jackson??? :) and i'm sorry Fly!!!! You know your hellah sexy ;) We should go fishing in Brokeback Mountain ;) I WISH I KNEW HOW TO QUIT YOU!!!!!!

*edit*
lol how's this for you Fly

http://dc5.donga.com/dcissue/img/2002_top_10-10.jpg

[Chicken Little]

that reminds me more of the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince except stuck in cuba and taking up the drinky drinky.

[Baka]

that reminds me more of the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince except stuck in cuba and taking up the drinky drinky.
lol you are correct. That's some guy that calls himself The Asian Prince. he has a website too. Do a google for Asian Prince :)

[Dark Marmosett]

Lmao baka and fly.

[Day]

Holy shit the site is fixed... You see, Laggy, Baka, and Dionne just started posting outta nowhere! x_x.


*Waits for next April Fools* ^^

[Baka]

Holy shit the site is fixed... You see, Laggy, Baka, and Dionne just started posting outta nowhere! x_x.


*Waits for next April Fools* ^^
APRIL FOOLS!!!!! This is really Altima and I took over Baka's account.....YOU ALL SUCK :paranoid

ok ok just kidding it's really me.....need proof *stabs self in face* :spear It's the Baka Seal of Approval :chuckle

[Dionne]

Oh, god, I love you guys. I just laughed so hard I peed my pants. See, now this is what I've been screaming for months now! ...I know things change, but ...I HATE CHANGE! This is how it used to be. And I freaking loved it.

[Day]

And you know something? As of yesterday, things have been getting back to how they used to be ^^.

[Chicken Little]

Oh, god, I love you guys. I just laughed so hard I peed my pants. See, now this is what I've been screaming for months now! ...I know things change, but ...I HATE CHANGE! This is how it used to be. And I freaking loved it.

will everyone who thought this was too much info raise your hand please.

As of this momenbt i peed my pants is censored with 'that bunny is fluffeh'

Oh, god, I love you guys. I just laughed so hard that bunny is fluffeh. See, now this is what I've been screaming for months now! ...I know things change, but ...I HATE CHANGE! This is how it used to be. And I freaking loved it.

CRISIS ADVERTED!
*throwns smoke bomb at feet*
*coughs*

[Laggy]

lmfao

[Dionne]

And you know something? As of yesterday, things have been getting back to how they used to be ^^.
I know, right? It's good stuff.

And I didn't really pee my pants, you losers. It's an expression. v.v Duh. :D

[Benzine]

Dione loves me the most, just so you know.

Right?

[Pinkie Pie]

Dione loves me the most, just so you know.

Right?

Dun matter, I've kidnapped her. Now she will be forced to join Holly and my secret army to help us with our top secret mission to take over EF!

....um... I mean... er... never mind. >.>

[Dionne]

I love ...Bill Rodregaz... the most! Yeah, him! Or her? >.>

Oh, and Tessa...you won't have to force me if you use certain persuasion tactics. ;) *giggles* =p

[Miles]

Dun matter, I've kidnapped her. Now she will be forced to join Holly and my secret army to help us with our top secret mission to take over EF!

....um... I mean... er... never mind. >.>

Yeah!! She's OUR Dionne now!! Muahahahahahahaha!!

[Chicken Little]

I love ...Bill Rodregaz... the most! Yeah, him! Or her? >.>

Oh, and Tessa...you won't have to force me if you use certain persuasion tactics. ;) *giggles* =p

...And that little kiddies is how the purple teletubbie is homosexual!

And i swore to myself id leave this alone and not think dirty thoughts, thus in my recent trend of taking the piss out of things this is also censored!

I love ...Bill Rodregaz... the most! Yeah, him! Or her? >.>

Oh, and Tessa...you won't have to fluff that bunneh so its fluffeh!!1. ;) *giggles* =p

We now return you to your regular broadcast, Iron COOKURUUUUUU

[Baka]

We now return you to your regular broadcast, Iron COOKURUUUUUU
CHOPPY CHOPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://gaias-navel.zort.net/anime/otakon00/images/00ota24.jpg

[Dionne]

...And that little kiddies is how the purple teletubbie is homosexual!
I knew this was coming.

[Nickelback]

OI DOOMHAMMER, IF I GET ONE, JUST ONE MORE EMAIL ABOUT YOU REPORTING SOME NON-SPAM POST FOR SPAM, LETS JUST SAY THE GALLOWS NEED OT BE REFURBISHED, KAPEESH?

As for this thread, I don't see anything wrong with it, I just dont like ever have the actual TIME in real life to devote myself to any forums peroid. I think it's holding up rather well.

[Night]

Fly just had me cracking up. Things have gotten better around here... I'm pissed at you Dionne... I wasn't in "The way things used to be".

You want me out? IS THAT IT! I'M NOT WANTED!

[Dionne]

You are wanted, babe. v.v I'm sorry. :shake I didn't mean anything by it. I just didn't remember you...it's not my fault. Blame it on the incest. :P

[Night]

Lol, What don't I blame on incest. Incest and Europeans.

[Dionne]

Lol, you're a silly ol' goose. And, um...I didn't mean that incest thing, you know? You know that, right? *coughs*

[Rainbow Dash]

Lol, you're a silly ol' goose. And, um...I didn't mean that incest thing, you know? You know that, right? *coughs*
Too late.

[cid]

i've realized that my congeniality and cherubicness is to much for y'all so...i'm sorry to say...i'm moving to siberia to live the life of a half dutch half porteguese farming milking llamas and eating goat meat

"OY bearta dumplin! tah laama be kickin up 'er legs again!"

[nightsavior]

Guess I missed alot huh? Upon returning I saw mostly famaliar posters so to me at any rate the "family" is still around if but not as much.

I think the gates of hell helps some people blow off steam though honestly when I first got here years ago the people "bitching" at me wouldn't keep it in the gates and got away with alot more. Over time however the mods and admins got better at "redirecting" conflict to the correct designated place so the atmosphere didn't get too nasty from that point on. I'd say more often then not the gates resolves issues with peaceful results so keep it if you are able John.

As for the worst conflict starters it usaully is centered around religion and politics. People love debating these things but I bet 9 times out of 10 when things get ugly it starts in a "religous" or "political" thread. Debating whether or not homosexaulality is wrong or right has also been a heated red zone of angst. You cannot really forbid people from talking about these topics but I'd suggest anyone go into such debates with a very calm and level head knowing what they say is not really going to change the views of many other members.

[Miles]

Lol, What don't I blame on incest. Incest and Europeans.

*Whacks you with the Piko Hammer* That's so mean!!

[Chicken Little]

*Whacks you with the Piko Hammer* That's so mean!!

but technically correct, thats what ya get for shagging the indians going back to europe and shagging some more. Plagues FTW!!!

though thats only european sailors, maybe you should rename them 'crazy guys wit no pants!' so imagine the inuendos when the ship goes down ;-)

*warns self for shameless pwutiabacaup*

for those who dont know

Posting
While
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The
Influence
And
Being
A
Complete
And
Utter
Penis

Pwut-iaba-caup (poot eyaba corp) sound smuch better then spamming *stamps with seal of awesomeness*

[Rainbow Dash]

As for the worst conflict starters it usaully is centered around religion and politics. People love debating these things but I bet 9 times out of 10 when things get ugly it starts in a "religous" or "political" thread. Debating whether or not homosexaulality is wrong or right has also been a heated red zone of angst. You cannot really forbid people from talking about these topics but I'd suggest anyone go into such debates with a very calm and level head knowing what they say is not really going to change the views of many other members.
Exactly... Exactly what I was getting at...

Holly, you're off the coast of europe, so you dont count.