Today's double standards.

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I know of a good one: Girls can hit boys. But boys cannot hit girls, lest they get their asses beat by their parents (i.e. me).

It's sexist. Not to say that I want to hit one, but it is a sexist unwritten rule. That's all I have to say.

Anyone have a few double standards they've noticed?

[Pinkie Pie]

If a gay/bi/trans person doesn't openly announce their lifestyle, they're "hiding" it, yet if they do come out, they're accused of "pushing it in everyone's faces".

[Seraph Zero]

Black people can make racist jokes about anyone without repurcussion, yet if a white person does it, they run the risk of getting their asses kicked...

[Cherubim1324]

Black people can make racist jokes about anyone without repurcussion, yet if a white person does it, they run the risk of getting their asses kicked...

There are two things that I hate that relate to this. The first is how most black & Mexican/Hispanic comedians can do nothing but make racist jokes and they are considered "funny". However, if a white comedian makes the same jokes, they are considered "racist". They have to be creative in their craft. Blacks & Mexicans/Hispanics, on the other hand, do not even need to be talented. They just need to tell a few racist jokes and they are instant comedians. The second is how it is alright for blacks and even Mexicans/Hispanics to use "racial" slures, but when a white person says such such words, it is "racist".
All this double standard crap is basically politcal correctness garbage that is heavily contributing to the destruction of society.

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Well I may not have the same exact perspective on the issue, I definitely cannot say you're wrong, for the most part. But most comedians just make jokes about stereotypes, as well as the cliche' fear of cops. You can't say that cops aren't racist, though.

That one hispanic guy on Comedy Central, although it's just sarcasm, he does make tons of jokes about racial stereotypes. I guess it's just a show where the idea that he's not truly advocating that stuff is already implied, by producers or something.

The gay/bi thing does get annoying. Not whether they're hiding it or not, but how media, like MTV blow up the whole homosexuality thing. And now there are these little cliques developing in schools (I've asked people from all parts of the US), and they tell me that guys will basically pretend to be gay to get girls, Mal and I have seen this as well. And the girls pretend to be lesbian to do the same thing, cuz they think that it's "hot". But about that one double standard, I will say that there are those one or two people that have to relate everything to homosexuality.

[Dark Luther]

There are two things that I hate that relate to this. The first is how most black & Mexican/Hispanic comedians can do nothing but make racist jokes and they are considered "funny". However, if a white comedian makes the same jokes, they are considered "racist". They have to be creative in their craft. Blacks & Mexicans/Hispanics, on the other hand, do not even need to be talented. They just need to tell a few racist jokes and they are instant comedians. The second is how it is alright for blacks and even Mexicans/Hispanics to use "racial" slures, but when a white person says such such words, it is "racist".
All this double standard crap is basically politcal correctness garbage that is heavily contributing to the destruction of society.


That's bullshit,
Perhaps it's true black comedians make fun of whites...and frankly every other race out there without retribution -
but I follow the stand up comedy circuit quite well, and have begun to notice that whites have begun to make combacks without the retribution as well.....


Also, another thing that strikes me seriously at home is Hispanics entrance into your little equation....

We are not to be considered at the same area as the black community - possibly at most for the reason that we don't hold the same air of protection they have in American society...

One must admit -
Someone makes a beaner joke - or a joke about how stereotypical hispanics are - and it will most certainly not get the same negative reaction as one about blacks....

While many jokes about blacks are common place now and becoming more normal, as I said, they stand at culture or mannerisms.
Meanwhile, the jokes swayed against hispanics are thoroughly insulting in many cases, or leaving them at the point where their not insulted, but presumed to all be migrant low income illegal workers...
This is actually differant from black comedians who make off hand jokes - but focus on our mannerisms, cultural stereotypes, and in many cases insistance on how we're on the same boat, just in a differant way....



As to the beggining comment that started this thread,
it is thoroughly stupid in my opinion to consider the "hitting a woman" situation, a double standard....

It is true - sometimes a woman will not be a lady....or much a woman at all for that matter -
But those are drastic situations where I doubt one will be reprimanded.
In most situations where the woman is just a bitch -
a man must simply know enough to be able to control her without striking....

[Travisblaze]

Here's one for you~In certain clubs around me, Girls only have to be 18 on me and guys have to be 21.

[Pinkie Pie]

Here's one for you~In certain clubs around me, Girls only have to be 18 on me and guys have to be 21.

I think I understood this... you're saying that girls have to be 18 to enter and guys have to be 21? Are they selling alchoholic beverages there? If they are, then I would think that it's against the law to allow any under-aged people in, regardless of gender.

[Travisblaze]

That's bullshit,
Perhaps it's true black comedians make fun of whites...and frankly every other race out there without retribution -
but I follow the stand up comedy circuit quite well, and have begun to notice that whites have begun to make combacks without the retribution as well.....


Also, another thing that strikes me seriously at home is Hispanics entrance into your little equation....

We are not to be considered at the same area as the black community - possibly at most for the reason that we don't hold the same air of protection they have in American society...

One must admit -
Someone makes a beaner joke - or a joke about how stereotypical hispanics are - and it will most certainly not get the same negative reaction as one about blacks....

While many jokes about blacks are common place now and becoming more normal, as I said, they stand at culture or mannerisms.
Meanwhile, the jokes swayed against hispanics are thoroughly insulting in many cases, or leaving them at the point where their not insulted, but presumed to all be migrant low income illegal workers...
This is actually differant from black comedians who make off hand jokes - but focus on our mannerisms, cultural stereotypes, and in many cases insistance on how we're on the same boat, just in a differant way....



As to the beggining comment that started this thread,
it is thoroughly stupid in my opinion to consider the "hitting a woman" situation, a double standard....

It is true - sometimes a woman will not be a lady....or much a woman at all for that matter -
But those are drastic situations where I doubt one will be reprimanded.
In most situations where the woman is just a bitch -
a man must simply know enough to be able to control her without striking.... Race shouldn't even be a fucking issue anymore but it still is and everyway you look at it, mostly every double standard is related to race take poverty for example, If a white person is poor, it's their fault but if a black person is downtrodden. It's society/white peoplesfault, I don't want to hear that shit. Everyone is granted the same oppurtunities in this country, everyone is entitled to the fringe benefits this country provides like financial aid. It's not my fault, you are not motivated to do something with your life, god gave you a brain, fucking use it. That goes for everyone in this fucking country. I don't want to hear people saying that there ineptitude is byproducts of their enviorment. Everyone fucks up, you have to take reponsibility for your actions. I don't want to be perceived as a racist because I'm not, I'm stating facts and I hate it just as much as everybody. I'm tired of people blaming society for all their fuck ups. Now thats a double standard. Minorites fuck up because of the enviorment they live in. But white people fuck up because there fuck ups? No, you fuck up cause your a fuck up regardless of race.

I think I understood this... you're saying that girls have to be 18 to enter and guys have to be 21? Are they selling alchoholic beverages there? If they are, then I would think that it's against the law to allow any under-aged people in, regardless of gender.
They don't serve alcohol to the girls because they card at the bar as well at the door. They just let them in to party. and they don't let guys in under 21 because their rationality is that guys aren't as mature as women.

[Pinkie Pie]

Race shouldn't even be a fucking issue anymore but it still is and everyway you look at it, mostly every double standard is related to race take poverty for example, If a white person is poor, it's their fault but if a black person is downtrodden. It's society/white peoplesfault, I don't want to hear that shit. Everyone is granted the same oppurtunities in this country, everyone is entitled to the fringe benefits this country provides like financial aid. It's not my fault, you are not motivated to do something with your life, god gave you a brain, fucking use it. That goes for everyone in this fucking country. I don't want to hear people saying that there ineptitude is byproducts of their enviorment. Everyone fucks up, you have to take reponsibility for your actions. I don't want to be perceived as a racist because I'm not, I'm stating facts and I hate it just as much as everybody. I'm tired of people blaming society for all their fuck ups. Now thats a double standard. Minorites fuck up because of the enviorment they live in. But white people fuck up because there fuck ups? No, you fuck up cause your a fuck up regardless of race.

Wow. o.o; You sure like to use that word, doncha?


They don't serve alcohol to the girls because they card at the bar as well at the door. They just let them in to party. and they don't let guys in under 21 because their rationality is that guys aren't as mature as women.

That's a pretty general stereotype. Car insurance for teenage girls tends to be cheaper than for boys, even on the same exact car, age, and record, based on the same stereotype, which I think is stupid. I've known just as many (if not more) girls who drive recklessly as boys do.

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As to the beggining comment that started this thread,
it is thoroughly stupid in my opinion to consider the "hitting a woman" situation, a double standard....

It is true - sometimes a woman will not be a lady....or much a woman at all for that matter -
But those are drastic situations where I doubt one will be reprimanded.
In most situations where the woman is just a bitch -
a man must simply know enough to be able to control her without striking....

I didn't insinuate that a man or woman has the right to hit someone. All I was saying that in the public eye, it's not serious for a girl to kick a guy in the nuts. But if a man retaliates and punches her in the boobs, everyone thinks you're a bitch. Isn't it a cheap shot to hit a guy in the nuts, in the first place? That is, if the circumstances are illegitimate.

If you don't consider that a double standard, then what is a double standard? From what I understand, it's when two different things are expected from two different types of people in certain situations. So in this situation, a girl can hit a guy, if she wants, but vice versa is a no-no.

"sometimes a woman will not be a lady" ...So hitting is a manly thing huh?

But in your last statement, it sounds like you're implying that woman don't have "to simply know enough to be able to control him without striking....". That's a sexist comment right there.

Hell, even schools advocate this double standard. I have yet to see a girl go to the principals office for kicking a boy in the nuts.

To say that a guy can't hit a girl, just because she lacks the cahones, is sexist.

[Rainbow Dash]

^^;; finally an issue most of you seem to agree with me on... I know someone who was not hired because he was white and there was a black candidate for the spot. Hypothetically speaking, if the black guy was incompotent, then if they hired the white guy, they'd get sued for discrimination (the black guy really did threaten that) and if they hire the black guy they have a much worse worker on their hands. That... bothers me... when people abuse the system like that...

[Cherubim1324]

Definition of double standard (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=double%20standard):

double standard
n.

A set of principles permitting greater opportunity or liberty to one than to another, especially the granting of greater sexual freedom to men than to women.


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double standard

A set of principles establishing different provisions for one group than another; also, specifically, allowing men more sexual freedom than women. For example, She complained that her father had a double standardher brothers were allowed to date, but she was not, even though she was older. [Mid-1900s]

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double standard

n : an ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another

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Definition of double standard (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/double%20standard):

2 : a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men

[Benzine]

What was the movie, I can't remember it, but there was two white people and a black guy, and he complained when the waiter served his drink first, when the waiter left he went on about how it's anti racist, and how it's not gonna make up for all those years ago to what the whites did to there ancestors etc, and later on he does test throughout the movie to prove this, like smoking in a airport ( Hey dude, you can't smoke here, and you work here, why haven't you been caught yet? " It's because I'm black")

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Affirmative Action can be a bitch, some times. However, we do live in a world, where racism does exist. But it doesn't exist everywhere. You could, essentially, perceive anything to be racist. I could say that someone is racist against white people because they have a typical black tie.

It is sad that people do abuse the system to get what they want. But hey, I'm sure all of us have or will do it at some point or another, although it may not be about race.

Damn you Cherubim! I'm mr. dictionary!

[Cherubim1324]

Affirmative Action can be a bitch, some times. However, we do live in a world, where racism does exist. But it doesn't exist everywhere. You could, essentially, perceive anything to be racist. I could say that someone is racist against white people because they have a typical black tie.

It is sad that people do abuse the system to get what they want. But hey, I'm sure all of us have or will do it at some point or another, although it may not be about race.

Damn you Cherubim! I'm mr. dictionary!

1: I agree, we live in a racist world. There are always going to be people who get offended by racist jokes, slurs, etc..., as well as those who live by racist double standards. Also, there will always be people who choose to live in a past that most of them did not even live through.
2: Nothing personal about the dictionary thing. I just wanted to clear any confusion about the definition of the term, "double standard".

[The Deity]

Race shouldn't even be a fucking issue anymore but it still is and everyway you look at it, mostly every double standard is related to race take poverty for example, If a white person is poor, it's their fault but if a black person is downtrodden. It's society/white peoplesfault, I don't want to hear that shit. Everyone is granted the same oppurtunities in this country, everyone is entitled to the fringe benefits this country provides like financial aid. It's not my fault, you are not motivated to do something with your life, god gave you a brain, fucking use it. That goes for everyone in this fucking country. I don't want to hear people saying that there ineptitude is byproducts of their enviorment. Everyone fucks up, you have to take reponsibility for your actions. I don't want to be perceived as a racist because I'm not, I'm stating facts and I hate it just as much as everybody. I'm tired of people blaming society for all their fuck ups. Now thats a double standard. Minorites fuck up because of the enviorment they live in. But white people fuck up because there fuck ups? No, you fuck up cause your a fuck up regardless of race.


Tone it down a little bit. I'm all for fiery debate, but your language is a bit much for the Discussion Table. This is not Anything Goes or The Gates.

[Pinkie Pie]

The gay/bi thing does get annoying. Not whether they're hiding it or not, but how media, like MTV blow up the whole homosexuality thing. And now there are these little cliques developing in schools (I've asked people from all parts of the US), and they tell me that guys will basically pretend to be gay to get girls, Mal and I have seen this as well. And the girls pretend to be lesbian to do the same thing, cuz they think that it's "hot". But about that one double standard, I will say that there are those one or two people that have to relate everything to homosexuality.

That I agree with too. There are a good amount of people who make their lifestyle choice too big of an issue. But others will get accused of the same thing simply in attempting to come out.

[Travisblaze]

What was the movie, I can't remember it, but there was two white people and a black guy, and he complained when the waiter served his drink first, when the waiter left he went on about how it's anti racist, and how it's not gonna make up for all those years ago to what the whites did to there ancestors etc, and later on he does test throughout the movie to prove this, like smoking in a airport ( Hey dude, you can't smoke here, and you work here, why haven't you been caught yet? " It's because I'm black")I know what you're talking about, I think it was The Animal with Rob Schneider.

[Day]

You can't say that cops aren't racist, though.

Stereotype! Ahhhhhhhhh! >.>

Ok, well... Some idiot believes that he could say nigga but I can't... How FUCKED UP is that? Well, it's not like it stops me ^^. What a stupid bitch.

That was the worst post I have ever made, I won't lie. Holy fucking shit... Nowadays I just don't care.

[Lancet Jades]

Affirmative Action can be a bitch, some times. However, we do live in a world, where racism does exist. But it doesn't exist everywhere. You could, essentially, perceive anything to be racist. I could say that someone is racist against white people because they have a typical black tie.

It is sad that people do abuse the system to get what they want. But hey, I'm sure all of us have or will do it at some point or another, although it may not be about race.

Damn you Cherubim! I'm mr. dictionary!
I'm stalwartly against affirmative action. As you said, we do live in a world with racism, but I don't see why some black guy should get chosen for a job over me, even though I may be more qualified, just because he's black, and some people think "poor babies cant get a job without help."

I know that's a bit harsh, but I don't see why other people should get favored over me by default, just because people in the past have been racist. I've never been racist, so its like punishing me for something others have done (also why I'm against reparations being paid to descendants of slaves, in most cases at least), but if there's anything that will ever push me to be racist, it's things like affirmative action.

And as for the woman-hitting thing, I also agree. I've been hated in school because I've hit girls before, but only after they've attacked me. I have no problem at all with punching a woman in the face, or the boobs, or giving them a good hard kick in the shins if they strike first. I'll retaliate, though I'll never throw the first punch (same goes for guys though).

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I can't say that I'm against Affirmative Action, but I can't say that I'm fully for it at the same time. The original idea of AA is that if two people of different race are equally qualified for the job, the minority should be chosen. It does make sense, because a large percentage of minorities, such as Hispanics and black (not stereotype, it's a statistic), are lower class. And they can't get out of the slump through the entertainment industry alone. However, it is bad at the same time, because it gives minorities leeway (sp?) to yell out racism if they don't get the job, because they say they're just as qualified.

I don't like to touch the subject of slavery reparations, because I fear it will enflame the public. But I will say that maybe a little somethin-somethin is due to descendants of black slaves.

Thank you, Jades. Most people try to hide behind the whole "it's not polite to hit a girl" idea. But for those few people who would say it, it's not polite to bust (in a less sexual way) a guy's nuts. I got kicked in the nuts once for not giving a girl a math answer, so I called her a dirty bitch. And then she complained that I was sexist. So I laughed, and hurt at the same time.

[Lancet Jades]

I can't say that I'm against Affirmative Action, but I can't say that I'm fully for it at the same time. The original idea of AA is that if two people of different race are equally qualified for the job, the minority should be chosen. It does make sense, because a large percentage of minorities, such as Hispanics and black (not stereotype, it's a statistic), are lower class. And they can't get out of the slump through the entertainment industry alone. However, it is bad at the same time, because it gives minorities leeway (sp?) to yell out racism if they don't get the job, because they say they're just as qualified.

I don't like to touch the subject of slavery reparations, because I fear it will enflame the public. But I will say that maybe a little somethin-somethin is due to descendants of black slaves.

Thank you, Jades. Most people try to hide behind the whole "it's not polite to hit a girl" idea. But for those few people who would say it, it's not polite to bust (in a less sexual way) a guy's nuts. I got kicked in the nuts once for not giving a girl a math answer, so I called her a dirty bitch. And then she complained that I was sexist. So I laughed, and hurt at the same time.
Well, the only time I'm for slavery reparations is if the descendants of the slave owners are wealthy because of help that the slaves gave their ancestors. But that's not the subject here >.>

And thats AA, theoretically. But when applied, it ends up with institutions and businesses choosing miority applicants essentially solely on the fact they are minorities, to fulfill quotas. Its the same basis of why I'm against socialism, its good in theory, but when applied, its crap, and just as unfair as the old ways were, if not moreso.

And I don't think its polite to hit a girl unless she strikes first. But if a girl strikes me, she'd better be prepared for a fight, because she'll have a hard punch coming right at her face a second afterwards.

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Socialism and Communism work, it's the people who run them that make them fail (i.e. Stalin). But Castro does pretty well. I like the way he runs things. But that's a different matter.

That's part of the reason AA doesn't work, because they propose quotas and stuff like that, and fill their businesses with incompetent morons. Kinda like what the police do. In fact, in my town, they gave the police a warrant to arrest any jaywalkers, which gives them another quota to fill, so they can line their pockets with cash for stupid stuff.

All I can say is that if I am interviewing for a job, I want to be judged solely on performance. The fact that I'm multiracial is just a plus because of AA. If they got rid of quotas and all those other guidelines and just had one rule: Hire the colored guy, if he's just as competent. But in a few decades to a century it should be eliminated, because the racial game of catch-up should be done.

[Travisblaze]

You know what else sucks, Lades? Them freakin border hoppers who will work for anything.they steal away jobs from American college kids and teens everyday. They hire a mexican before me cause he'll work for cheap. That pisses me off. You know how many applications I put in to stores and I don't get calls. Then I go in the store and some mexican who wasn't there a week earlier has a job. What the hell is that?

[Lancet Jades]

Socialism and Communism work, it's the people who run them that make them fail (i.e. Stalin). But Castro does pretty well. I like the way he runs things. But that's a different matter.

That's part of the reason AA doesn't work, because they propose quotas and stuff like that, and fill their businesses with incompetent morons. Kinda like what the police do. In fact, in my town, they gave the police a warrant to arrest any jaywalkers, which gives them another quota to fill, so they can line their pockets with cash for stupid stuff.

All I can say is that if I am interviewing for a job, I want to be judged solely on performance. The fact that I'm multiracial is just a plus because of AA. If they got rid of quotas and all those other guidelines and just had one rule: Hire the colored guy, if he's just as competent. But in a few decades to a century it should be eliminated, because the racial game of catch-up should be done.
I honestly don't see AA ever being eliminated. Things like that which are supposed to be "just there till things even out" rarely end up getting removed.

And as for "choosing the colored guy if he's just as competent," I'm against as well. I don't see why someone who's my equal should automatically get chosen just because I'm white and he isn't. I'm more for a choosing method based on say, a coin flip. The minority shouldnt just automatically be chosen in such a situaiton.

[Rainbow Dash]

I myself am SLIGHTLY racist. But I only believe things apply to minorities because they brought it on themselves, such as there being like 3 black people in my grade that I know of that are in any upper level courses, and 0 hispanics, or the fact that 9/10 fights at my school are between black R&B-type girls. But if I were an employer, that would not influence me one way or the other what color their skin was. What WOULD influence me was if they came to the interview with dolla sign chains and blasting some kind of rythmic moaning and whatnot. Even more so if they had a criminal record. Ande even more so again if they were white and had all of that going on.

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That's called cheap labor. It's not stealing if the business is the one making the decision. What should happen is that companies/businesses should be required to pay non-American citizens the same rates, therefore, the influence to hire "border hoppers" is gone. Don't blame them, just cuz they're poor, and willing to work harder for less money to get somewhere. And they barely even run the chance of going to college, because they didn't get the opportunities that college kids would get.

Although I do understand that you're angry, don't use vulgarities or slander people of different races or nationalities. It makes people not want to listen to you.

Yvl, they do actually put criminal records into the equation. A colored person would be lucky to get hired if they have a dirty record. But would you hire a man who came in in cowboy gator boots blasting banjoes twanging?

Lades, I won't try to convince you, but you should know that they do this, because things like slavery, and immigration put minorities low on the list of importance. But we should take those people into account, and offer them the opportunities to succeed, because this is the land of opportunity. But the chances that two people are just as qualified would be small, because in most cases, someone's bound to have done something or not done something to make them less qualified. The occasion in which a coinflip would be necessary are small. But then again, the people running the interviews aren't usually thorough enough to realize that, sadly enough.

[Pinkie Pie]

What WOULD influence me was if they came to the interview with dolla sign chains and blasting some kind of rythmic moaning and whatnot. Even more so if they had a criminal record. And even more so again if they were white and had all of that going on.

I don't see what color has to do in that situation. So since you expect minorities to have a criminal record, it's less of an issue than if white people do?

And the "gangsta" attitude that I assume you were referring to has more than enough people of all races, including white people, who take on that persona to equate it with a certain race.

[Rainbow Dash]

But... when they are ILLEGAL mexicans... that's a problem. COmapnies should not even hire those people, as their money does not get put to the US governent at all, which hurts our economy.

And for the record, the gangsta persona is the single thing about mankind I rue above anything else o.o;;

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lol, I probably would be less inclined to hire a white guy dressing "gangsta", just because 6-7/10 times, the guy's a douche bag. But I guess I'd have to get to know him more. Which is where criminal records come in! Yay for the criminal justice system!

But the effects on the economy regarding an illegal Mexican would be the same as if the jobs went completely overseas.

On a side note, Indians should not run customer service, cuz I can't understand them.

[Rainbow Dash]

lol, I probably would be less inclined to hire a white guy dressing "gangsta", just because 6-7/10 times, the guy's a douche bag. But I guess I'd have to get to know him more. Which is where criminal records come in! Yay for the criminal justice system!
That's what I meant, right there.

And I agree about the overseas thing. That REALLY should be illegal.

[Pinkie Pie]

lol, I probably would be less inclined to hire a white guy dressing "gangsta", just because 6-7/10 times, the guy's a douche bag. But I guess I'd have to get to know him more. Which is where criminal records come in! Yay for the criminal justice system!

I think that the more "hardcore gangsta" mentality is stupid in general. Race is not an issue, acting ignorant and illiterate on purpose is rediculous.

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Speaking of illiterate, you spelled ridiculous wrong. Hehehe

Hold on, I never said overseas employment should be outlawed. What I was saying is that American businesses should be required by law to pay people that do not have American citizenship the same salaries. By doing so, the reason to hire overseas people is, for the most part, eliminated.

[Pinkie Pie]

Speaking of illiterate, you spelled ridiculous wrong. Hehehe

:rolleyes Thank you, Mr. Dictionary. I was referring to purposely using ebonics, not occasionally misspelling a word.

[Zelphiel]

Speaking of illiterate, you spelled ridiculous wrong. Hehehe

Hold on, I never said overseas employment should be outlawed. What I was saying is that American businesses should be required by law to pay people that do not have American citizenship the same salaries. By doing so, the reason to hire overseas people is, for the most part, eliminated.

I agree... but as long as the lawmakers are cashing in on it, it won't happen.

a lot of sexual harassment is a double standard in my oppinion. sometimes if a man says anything that could remotely resemble harassment he could get fired and slapped with a lawsuit... but a woman could say the same thing or worse and nothing happen.

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Hey, it's my job XD You know I'm only messin' around.

I guess sexual harrassment is a double standard, however, a good amount of workplaces do offer protection for men. Some people refuse to accept the fact that women can rape and harrass men, as well as vice versa.

[Travisblaze]

Mcyourownmomwich, i think wrote himself into the Year in Review 2006 already with this thread. But that's besides the point. I agree with zelphiel, where do you draw the line on sexual harassment. It's ok for a girl to tell me I'm one ugly motherfucker and that I should kill myself but I can't say that to a disgusting heffer?

lol, I probably would be less inclined to hire a white guy dressing "gangsta", just because 6-7/10 times, the guy's a douche bag. But I guess I'd have to get to know him more. Which is where criminal records come in! Yay for the criminal justice system!

I don't thnk there is such a thing as dressing "gangsta", what is dressing "gangsta"? Someone who wears baggy pants and football jerseys? Since when did that become gangsta because I dress like that all the time and I am far from gangsta.

[Pinkie Pie]

It's ok for a girl to tell me I'm one ugly motherfucker and that I should kill myself but I can't say that to a disgusting heffer?

Technically, no it's not. Workplace sexual harassment rules give the same protection to men as they do to women. I would assume that a possible reason you don't hear about men filing SH suits as often would be either because not as many men care when insulted in that way, or because they feel it questions their masculinity to report something like that.

Also, at times when such insults arise as a result of unwanted sexual advances, technically it's the one making the advance that is considered to be sexually harassing, which seems to be the grayer area and the part where the double standard can happen. While a woman firing an insult back at a man making unwanted sexual advances towards her would probably not be punished, a man doing the same to a woman making advances on him might be.

[Lancet Jades]

Regarding sexual harrasment, I havent really heard any guys complain its unfair, as opposed to other double standards. Then again, the chances of a guy being offended at an off-color joke are much lower, I think >.>

And as for affirmative action, I know the chances two people would be EQUALLY qualified is low, but AA ends up creating quotas, which is why I think it should be at least officially abolished.

[Travisblaze]

Bush tried and failed and You know, abolishing AA was about the only good idea Bush ever had.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

And I agree about the overseas thing. That REALLY should be illegal.With the money saved from outsourcing, companies are often able to create more jobs inside the country than the number they sent overseas, and they invariably do so.

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But the problem is that most companies don't make new jobs.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Yes, they do, just not in the same area. Hence why I said "and they invariably do so."

[Rainbow Dash]

Yes, they do, just not in the same area. Hence why I said "and they invariably do so."
....huh?

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

....huh?A company might send 6,500 tech support jobs overseas, but with the money they save from that they create 8,000 jobs in other fields right here in America.

[Rainbow Dash]

Oh, oh you meant "Field." I was wondering why they would create jobs in another state o.O

Anyway, I dont even call tech support anymore. I already feel awkward enough talking on the phone, and I tend to mishear things as well, and add to that their ungodly accents, I feel like I'm offending them by asking them to repeat it so many times, or am afraid they'll get pissed at me.

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I don't understand how the money they save would help to create more jobs. Perhaps after a long time, but they'd end up spending more money by creating more jobs along with the overseas jobs, because there is no guarantee that their profit margin will get larger.

I coulda sworn that unemployment was rising in America, due to outsourcing. That was last time I checked the statistics.

[Travisblaze]

^is correct. I'm pretty sure these companies are losing business because of these practices cause I know that indians don't give a damn about high speed internet or anything they are supposed to help you with and it is all because they are taking away jobs from good hard working americans.

[Rainbow Dash]

I agree, but I know better than to argue with Raist by now.

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Hehe, a lesson well learned.

tblaze, trust me, there are people in third world countries who would suck dicks for 5 cents. I don't think America is that hard working at this point, compared to them. America's working force lost its steam gradually after the Industrial Revolution.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Oh, oh you meant "Field." I was wondering why they would create jobs in another state o.OI figured as much, but for future reference it helps if you quote only the part that confuses you.

I don't understand how the money they save would help to create more jobs. Perhaps after a long time, but they'd end up spending more money by creating more jobs along with the overseas jobs, because there is no guarantee that their profit margin will get larger.The economics of MNCs are a bit more complicated than "a-b=c".

I coulda sworn that unemployment was rising in America, due to outsourcing. That was last time I checked the statistics.Unemployment has been falling for about the past three years. It's still higher today than it was in '98, but that's because we're still recovering from a recession.

^is correct. I'm pretty sure these companies are losing business because of these practices cause I know that indians don't give a damn about high speed internet or anything they are supposed to help you withI don't see why that would have an adverse effect on their profits.

it is all because they are taking away jobs from good hard working americans.I love this "hard working Americans" meme, especially since it has absolutely no basis in fact. A citizen in a country poor enough to bother outsourcing to needs the job a hell of a lot more than your American does, and will thus work that much harder to keep it.

[Rainbow Dash]

I love this "hard working Americans" meme, especially since it has absolutely no basis in fact. A citizen in a country poor enough to bother outsourcing to needs the job a hell of a lot more than your American does, and will thus work that much harder to keep it.
In my opinion... worry about ourselves first... then we can worry about other countries.

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EXACTLY! You deserve money for that statement, Yvl. In my personal opinion, based on historical patterns, we'd be a hell of a lot better off if we stopped getting up in other countries's business and focused on the improvement of our own. It's a waste of money, that could be going towards making sure that my ass ain't caught in another economic recession. I'm pretty sure that wasn't your main point, Yvl, but that statement gave me the opportunity to jump in there, with this. If we grew our own crops, built our own towns and transportation systems, made our own clothes, ran our own stores, we would be self-sufficient and no countries would have beef with us. But then again, that's not the capitalist way. Always looking to increase your profits, and never thinking of the bigger picture.

Yeah, Raist, you tell 'em.

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

In my opinion... worry about ourselves first... then we can worry about other countries.That... would be an opinion I happen to share, but isn't very relevant. Outsourcing helps them without harming or inhibiting us.

In my personal opinion, based on historical patterns, we'd be a hell of a lot better off if we stopped getting up in other countries's business and focused on the improvement of our own. It's a waste of money, that could be going towards making sure that my ass ain't caught in another economic recession. I'm pretty sure that wasn't your main point, Yvl, but that statement gave me the opportunity to jump in there, with this. If we grew our own crops, built our own towns and transportation systems, made our own clothes, ran our own stores, we would be self-sufficient and no countries would have beef with us.That's not possible. Frankly, we don't have the space for it.

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That's because of urbanization. I blame the yuppies!