How bad you sucked

[Day]

Are you really good at a fighting game? Ok then. How bad were you when you first started.

Damn, Guilty Gear X 2 was one of the games I was terrible at. I used to suck against my friend who never played. Of course, It was my first time too. But still. Anyway. I kept tryin moves like Down, Forard, X+?. I didnt know how to do burst, roman cancle, or any of that stuff. If fact, I sucked at doing specials too. Anyway, I sucked.

I know you all sucked at a fighting game once, so share how badly you sucked.

[Zelphiel]

back before I learned the basic principals behind fighting games... (this was Street Fighter II era, btw), I really sucked. I just button mashed, but once I learned basic fighting game theory it was uphill from there. The only other things that I've had trouble learning at first was triangular dash jumping in the middle of an air combo in MvC2 and getting the timing right on a few guard cancels and counters in SC2.

[Day]

I call it button mush. ^^

[Lancet Jades]

I majorly sucked at fighting games, and i still do to an extent. I'm very tempted to button mash, and its a hard habit to get out of >_>

[Zelphiel]

when you've made a habit of it, it can be. the best thing to do is put it on practice mode and set the comp to do nothing... then take it very slow from there, learning how to do things....

button mush... haha. I'll have to remember that.

[Day]

My cousin came up with it. God she is funny. She was telling my other cousin " to win, all you have to do is just button mush". Somthing like that. Funny how she never wins.

[Zelphiel]

well... with Eddie Gordo, and Maxi type characters you can do "some" stuff... but it's not worth it. it's just better to get the hard part over with and actually learn em.

[Nereid]

Meh, I always suck at fighting games when I first play them, then I settle in to one or two characters that I can pwn with...either Ryu-type characters, or the ones nobody can use correctly, like Ivy in SC2.

[Zelphiel]

same here. Ryu type characters are my bread and butter... but I guess it's like that with every 2D player. and I usually pick the more neglected characters like Ivy, Voldo, Faust, and Shuma Gorath. I love buffering into summon suffering with Ivy and buffering from her ancient wheels attack into Calamity Symphony, which is something most people don't do.

[Nereid]

I always screw up on Summon Suffering and Calamity Symphony, since the only person I get to play against is Megatokyo, and he knows to get in my face and hit the attack button as fast as possible when I'm Ivy. Quite literally, if he lets me get one good attack in, it's all over.

[Zelphiel]

that's why it's best to buffer into them. SC2 has the best buffering system ever. I try to take advantage of it. one of the craziest ways to buffer into summon suffering, it looks really cool, is to do the (up A+B cancel), then the (while rising B+K cancel) then buffer into summon suffering. it confuses the hell out of people.

[Chicken Little]

on the arcade the first time i was actually pretty good beacuse all it was was a joystick and 2 buttons.

on the console however in the first mk i couldnt land a punch because i was focusing too much on trying to do moves instead of doing them.

[Eric]

I Sucked Basically At Any Kind Of Fighting Games.... I'd Run Out Of Quarters Before I'd Get To The 5th Fight Or Somethin'

[Ricdeau]

I always pwned at fighting games lol. I remember having like a tekken playing spree.. Tekken 1 this is, lol. It was like my first fighting game and i kept beating everyone. I'm not bad with most games usually, but im nothing special except for on a few games. Oh, and i call it button bashing but my friend calls it batton bushing :D

[Eric]

Did You Suck At ANY Game, Though?

[Ricdeau]

i guess at first i rpbly did, just i can remember pwning everyone at tekken even though i never played it before. im not that good at street fighter actually, but the recent SF's arent too good anyway. The 3d ones are crap.

[Zelphiel]

Street Fighter EX3 isn't that bad... it doesn't compare to the badass games that Namco have made and Sega's Virtua Fighter, but it's not horrible. I think they should expiriment with cel shading in a street fighter, KOF, or Guilty Gear game. it looked really good in Budokai 2 and since all 3 of those games have anime based characters it would look good.

[Ricdeau]

i thought guilty gear X2 was cel shaded? O.o i duno, but the graphics look sweet.

[Zelphiel]

no.... GGXX isn't cel shaded.. it's just exceptional 2D.

[Zelphiel]

speaking of cel shading, a Capcom vs. Game would be a cool cel shaded fighter. It would give the series an interesting look. A cel shaded SSB would also be cool.

[Leknaat]

What Character Designs in Fighting games do you like the best?

Ivy
Nightmare
Morrigan
Felicia
Ruby Heart
Cervantes

Those are just to name a few:D

[Laggy]

nightmare ish teh coolz

err

and sub zero

[Leknaat]

What are your top five 2-D fighting games of all time?

[Leknaat]

What are your top 5 3-D fighting games?

[Hikari Tsukishiro]

Eternal Fighter Zero
Melty Blood React
Guility Gear
Soul Caliber
Queen of Heart

[Zelphiel]

Marvel vs Capcom 2
Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
King of Fighters 99
Capcom vs SNK 2
Guilty Gear XX (soon to be GG: Isuka :D)

[Zelphiel]

Soul Calibur 2
Tekken Tag Tournament
Virtua Fighter 4: EVO
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
Bushido Blade

[Zelphiel]

any and all of them from Soul Calibur 2 and the Guilty Gear series.

[Zelphiel]

Eternal Fighter Zero
Melty Blood React
Guility Gear
Soul Caliber
Queen of Heart

none of the Soul Calibur games are 2D...

[Laggy]

my list is pritty much what lath said, though i havnt played King of Fighters 99...

and i cant think of a replacment for it, im not a big fighting game fan

[Day]

Im guessing Lathan is now Kaiser? And that that is old news?
My bro has played GG Isuka, he says it sucks. We'll just have to wait and see. Unless I play it soon.
But for now my top 5 are:

1.. Guilty Gear XX #RELOAD
2.. Guilty Gear X2
3.. Street Fighter Alpha 3
4.. Street Fighter Anniversery Collection(If you want me to be specific, I like SF3 3rd strike better than Hyper SF2).
5.. Mortal Kombat 2

Im not good at picking favorites, so this may change over time. I just know that Guilty Gear X2 is an easy to love game.

[Pinkie Pie]

Here's my top 5...

1.) KOF '98
2.) Samurai Showdown 4
3.) The Last Blade 2
4.) SVC Chaos
5.) Capcom vs SNK 2

...if you can't tell, I'm an SNK fangirl... ^_^

[Big Mac]

I only have 2:

Donkey Kong (SNES)

Super Mario Bros. (SNES)

[Zelphiel]

Here's my top 5...

1.) KOF '98



just a question about that one...

is that the KoF that Akuma was in... or is it another one?



oh... and MAC...

Donkey Kong and Mario Bros aren't fighting games. Sorry...

[Pinkie Pie]

Umm... Akuma wasn't in a KOF game... Akuma's a Capcom character...

Maybe you're thinking of SVC : Chaos (SNK vs. Capcom)?

[Pinkie Pie]

Just about everyone from KOF.... although to be specific...

Iori Yagami, K9999, Krizalid, Kula, Chang and Choi...

Oh, and I really liked Kaede from The Last Blade

[Zelphiel]

A friend of mine told me about it, but I forgot which game he said.

Fly found a walkthrough saying that he's unlockable in KoF 98. That's all we found. I was trying to find a video of him somewhere, but I had no luck. I'll ask my friend about it next time I see him, but I'm sure he said KoF... not CvS.

[Johnson Swags]

well i have two ppl i like the most on disighn umm sora off kingdom hearts and master chief off halo oh and i like sam fisher off splinter cell they all good to me

[Zelphiel]

*sigh...

get your genres straight. Kingdom Hearts is an action RPG. Halo and Splinter Cell are FPS/Platformers... none of those are fighters.

[Pinkie Pie]

O.o... really?! I don't think Capcom would've stood for their demonic badguy character to be put into one of SNKs games...


...but please let me know how to do it if it's true!! ^_^

[Zelphiel]

I'll probably talk to him tomorow. I'll try to remember to ask him. I'm not really known for having a good memory. lol

[Zelphiel]

Only selectable characters. No bosses or anything like that.

Shin Akuma, Storm, Magneto, Cable, all of the next to last MK bosses (Goro, Kintaro, Motaro, etc) and Justice come to mind first...

after I've slept a little bit I'll probably think of several more.

[Hikari Tsukishiro]

Kanna of Eternal Fighter Zero.

[shattered_system]

dang there are alot of those....right off top.....the boss of champions of norrath return to arms, i was level 70 and you were sposed to be atleast level 40 to have a chance on him and he still usually killed me in one hit.

[Zelphiel]

this is for fighting games Joachim.

[shattered_system]

oh......not main bosses.....in that case most sub bosses in many games mk especially....soul caliber some of them if they were like half invisible forcing you to do only low attacks.....or some of the people on tekken five (only if you have it on hard mode) and the old battle arena toshinda games no matter what diffuculty you had it on they were probably always better than you...

[Zelphiel]

this game is going to be so badass

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/main.htm

[Sassafrass Raistimass]

Hopefully it'll be a bit smoother than 3 was. The counters were improved on, but everything else just seemed sloppily thrown together. This says it "focuses more on defense," which has me slightly worried... but we'll see, I suppose.

[Zelphiel]

They've supposidely been working on this one since before 3 came out... so maybe everything will be good in this one.

[Day]

Sweet... I've liked playing DOA since the second one came out for dreamcast.. So uh... yay for 4.

[Altima]

Akuma,Sagat,Balrog (Stupid dash attack!) Orchaid,Paul. That is all I can think of.

[Zelphiel]

Balrog (Stupid dash attack!)

lol... the invincible dash is great when you know how to use it right. you can exploit it to go through projecticles in super turbo if you do it right. :P

[Altima]

I think that mine was Killer Instinct for the SNES. It was an awesome game and the only fighting game that I was actually any good at. My brother taught me every combo I knew tho he was king of fighters. What was the first fighter that you ever played?

[Zelphiel]

mine was either Final Fight or Street Fighter... I can't remember which though. Both of those arcade games came out at about the same time.

[Elisa Maza]

Some Kunio-kun game for the original NES. It was probably River City Ransom or something like that.

[Zelphiel]

another early one I forgot about was Kung Fu on NES. I think that may have been my first fighter now that I think about it...

[shattered_system]

I dont know what the name of it is but there was this one super nes game it was monsters fighting or something i remembered there was a heart in the corner beside your guys name and the more you got hurt the faster the heart beat when you died the heart blew up. It was either that or killer instinct.

[Zelphiel]

Primal Rage? It had dinosaur/ape type characters... I think it had the heart thing in it.

[Lycanthroat]

Jinpachi. He is so hard. Even in easy mode.

[Lycanthroat]

Tekken 2. Aww, I can still see Kunimitsu and he crappy dagger. Bless her.

[Miles]

Street Fighter II for the SNES.

[nightsavior]

Street fighter 2 for the normal snes. It was the first fighting game I played for a console and I thought it was awesome though it was the sucky version in which you couldn't play as balrog,bison,or vaga. In the arcades my first fighters were double dragon and the teenage mutant ninja turtle arcade game.

[Zelphiel]

I can beat him in three hits easily with Jack on hardest. :P

[Kain]

That crappy Kung-Fu game for the NES was my first fighter I believe. Or maybe it was Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter? I can't remember.

[Kurbee]

Either Mortal Kombat or Killer Instinct (my brother STILL has it)

[Kain]

Yeah, Killer Instinct was pretty good back then I guess. ......would that Kung-Fu game really be classified as a fighting game? It could be classified as a crappy game, but I'm not too sure it was a true fighter. Whatever, that game blowed. Primal Rage was alright though.

[Pinkie Pie]

My first fighting game was the SNES version of SF2. My friend had it, and I'd always play it whenever I went to his house. I didn't do much more than button-mashing back then, though.

[king kuppy]

final fight one- - for GBA lol

[RaveRunner]

I belive the first fighter I played was MK for the genesis. When I first saw Sub-zero rip some dudes head off, I was breathless. I know ive played others but that was the first one that I remeber

[Kain]

Yeah, on the Nes version of MK, the blood was blanked out and replaced with a milky substance. What a load of bs. The game isn't even real and no one really gets hurt........do they?

[cid]

the ORIGINAL streetfighter baby, and i still have it, and it's still the freakin best

[Zelphiel]

Yeah, on the Nes version of MK, the blood was blanked out and replaced with a milky substance. What a load of bs. The game isn't even real and no one really gets hurt........do they?

Hopefully that was a typo. MK1's console debut on nintendo was on the SNES. It never saw the light of day on the NES.

[Hadazamui]

Actually the reason the SNES removed the blood was because the SNES at the time was a system for the family, with games like Super mario world, ghouls and goblins, and simcity. The genesis didnt care, and put in massive amounts of blood

[Hadazamui]

Onaga from MK: deception

you had to run around and destroy those damn objects that are around the arena, while he keeps blowing fire on you and knocking you out with his wings. Then you have to go head to head with him

[Zelphiel]

yeah, I know. the Genesis version was a 'somewhat perfect' arcade port.

[Pinkie Pie]

Rugal (KoF '98), Goenitz ((SVC Chaos) if you know how to use him correctly), Haohmaru (CVS2), Nakoruru (CVS1, and to a lesser extent CVS2), Shin Akuma, "Serious" Mr. Karate, Chun-Li (SVC Chaos)

[Zelphiel]

Chun-Li (SVC Chaos)

she's kind of broken in all the games she's in.

*thinks about SFA3 and glares at Tessa >.>

[Pinkie Pie]

*thinks about SFA3 and glares at Tessa >.>


^-^;;;;;;;;;;

[Max Headroom]

I have my most problems with Ultimate Rugal in Capcom Vs Snk 2, Duke in KOF MI. and i know you said no bosses but cmon Orochi.... and lets not forget Guile from SF Champion throw throw throw dead...

[Pinkie Pie]

and i know you said no bosses but cmon Orochi....

As long as we're talking bosses... three words.

Ignitz. Freaking. Grrrr!

I'm pretty sure that makes sense... >.>

But Ignitz was rediculously overpowered.

I have my most problems with Ultimate Rugal in Capcom Vs Snk 2

Well, the boss version, yeah, but the playable version of him is way powered down. He can do alot of damage, but only if you can keep from getting pummeled by your opponent... Ult. Rugal and Shin Akuma have next to no defense in that game.

[Zelphiel]

Ult. Rugal and Shin Akuma have next to no defense in that game.

funny thing is they still don't let anyone use them in major tourneys. :P

you'd think the +25% damage effect on them would make a difference... but I guess in the hands of the right players it really doesn't matter.

*Imagines Daigo with a P-Groove Shin Akuma



and Kenny... if you want to talk about cheap overpowered bosses you can't leave Gill out of your list.

[Max Headroom]

and Kenny... if you want to talk about cheap overpowered bosses you can't leave Gill out of your list.

well hes not TOO cheap if you watch yourself. ok so he still is. but a hit during the rainbow thing Seraph something will stop that and its 60% block damage... and when he restores health another well placed hit stops that so he has his downfall. but yeah thanks for reminding me... :sweatdrop

[nightsavior]

Bison was pretty good but I never got into using him much because alot of his moves were very cheap...Still he is infinetly better then rugal. Geese Howard is also one of those bosses that started off being intimidating and a bit over powered that is until he lost his flare when better more "under handed" bosses came along (such as wolf gang krauser for example and his multi projectile throw attack.) I also knock characters that all copy the same fighting style. Ken and Ryu's shokan art (yeah i know it is mispelled, but hey I tried) was definetly spread out too far to too many other capcom characters. People rave about Akuma and I admit story line wise he is intriguing and awesome, but all he was is evil Ryu with red hair + his "death" symbol attack is a ridiculous over kill.

[Zelphiel]

Still he is infinetly better then rugal.

The only Bison that I can think of that fits that description is Boss Bison in SFA3... and the only reason is his super psycho crusher does 60% block damage/100% normal damage. Plus he has his own 'ism' in that game... which basically gives him the best benefits of the 3 regular 'isms'.

Ken and Ryu's shokan art

Capcom changed it to Anatsuken. It's Shotokan btw. :P

People rave about Akuma and I admit story line wise he is intriguing and awesome, but all he was is evil Ryu with red hair + his "death" symbol attack is a ridiculous over kill.

Not really. By the time SF3 came along the 3 shoto scrubs fighting styles had been altered enough for there to be a huge difference between them. (I know they were altered for SFA... but SF3 was the first real change in how they played)

He isn't just 'Evil Ryu with red hair'. It's a lot closer to being the complete opposite of that. Gouki existed in the games (and story) long before Ryu was 'evil'.

and... the Shungokusatsu isn't exactly easy to land on players that know how to get away from it. Even when you do the insanely cheap knockdown wall trap with it there are still ways around it. It really isn't overkill either... sure it does more damage than 'most' super combos but his entire bar has to be full to use it. So it isn't like you can do it repedately. You'll maybe get one chance to do it per fight and most players with half a brain won't take that chance every time they play.

[Max Headroom]

lets not forget Hugo with the most powerful non-boss supers ever...

[nightsavior]

Well I got pretty good at slamming players with the death insignia Akuma move in SFalpha 2 but you're right lath street fighter alpha 3 did try mixing up the characters more where even if they had the same "style" they had several trademark moves unique only to them. (Actually the whole alpha series seemed to be an effort to make charcters more balanced + stand out from each other.) In marvel vs. capcom I could be pretty damn cheap with war machine, venom, and morrigan then again everyone's special attacks in that game were jacked up to ludicrous levels.

[Pinkie Pie]

Bison was pretty good but I never got into using him much because alot of his moves were very cheap...Still he is infinetly better then rugal.

Hardly... Except for Bison in SFA3, Rugal could easily take him on, especially using the Orochi power he'd been given. Rugal would have a harder time beating Bison from Alpha 3, but I don't doubt that he could win. (He might wind up destroying himself in the process, but still)

lets not forget Hugo with the most powerful non-boss supers ever...

Assuming that they hit... =/

[nightsavior]

Well I was a cheap bastard with bison in the alpha games. People would actually whine and be like "Dude! use someone else!" He was more balanced then he was in the first sf 2 games, but he's still a power hitter. When it comes down to it we're all good with different characters. I've seen people be cheap as hell even with sakura or chun li and utterly annilate the competition with Iori who is supposed to be one of the more "fairer" characters. Another king of cheap is rapheal in soul calibur 2. At least two of his simpler foil attacks are very good for combo juggling with a very slim chance of instant countering or recovery.

[Zelphiel]

Well I was a cheap bastard with bison in the alpha games. People would actually whine and be like "Dude! use someone else!"

that may be... but that isn't what the thread is about. if it was it'd be a 'who's your best fighter' thread. :P

Another king of cheap is rapheal in soul calibur 2. At least two of his simpler foil attacks are very good for combo juggling with a very slim chance of instant countering or recovery.

again... if you're playing someone with skill almost none of that works. 90% of Raphael's moves are vertical. He does have horizontals but almost all of them are useless in juggling because their range moving forward and to the sides is almost nothing. anyway... the only people that get juggled with vertical attacks in SC and SC2 are scrubs. plain and simple.

if you want to talk SC2 cheapness talk about Xianghua. :hmm

[Max Headroom]

if kung fu is a possiblity then is double dragon? aside from those two id say my first actual fighting game was street fighter on snes

[Setzophone]

Street Fighter II Turbo for the Genesis... Man did I wear the hell out of that game. See, I had moved to a new state and I didn't have any friends yet... so SF2 was my passtime for about 3 months... sad, but I do love the game.

[Zelphiel]

if kung fu is a possiblity then is double dragon? aside from those two id say my first actual fighting game was street fighter on snes

I count the old side scrolling beat 'em ups as part of the fighting genre.

so... in these forums they are. :P

[Max Headroom]

the cheapest people in soul calibur are your people lathan!! :pissed

[Zelphiel]

yeah... well... *perfects you with Taki :laughdevi

[Max Headroom]

i still gave lathan.666 a loss that one day... ass! *victory dances for everyone*

[Ashe]

uhhh... well... im good at most fighting games only after ive played it once... on the first time through though the game i sucked most at was Tekken 5... got owned so easily until i learned blocking and stuff.. lol

[Wallie Wildo]

umm im horible at most fighters other than SC2 which im decent at <.<

[Gravity]

I'm about 4/10 lol.

[nightsavior]

Good to see you back krystle. Ok here are the 5 top ones for me personally...

1. street fighter alpha 3

2. Guilty gear X-2

3. Jo Jo's bizzare adventure (based on the manga.)

4. Dark stalkers 3: Vampire savior

5. Samurai shodown series.

[nightsavior]

1.Soul calibur 2

2.Virtua fighter 4

3.Tekken 4 (To be replaced on this list by Tekken 5 when I play it. lol.)

4. Tekken 3 (Yeah, yeah I'm showing favortism, deal with it.)

5. Bloody roar 4

[nightsavior]

Chick list

1.Morrigan aensland (though they need to improve on her hair)

2. Christina (tekken 4)

3.Taki

4.chun li (sf alpha 3 model sprite and sf 3 final impact model sprite)

5. Juli (sf alpha 3)


Guys list

1. Akuma

2. Knightmare

3. cervantes

4. Iori

5. Testament

[Hikari Tsukishiro]

Miyako Arima (Melty Blood)
Sion (Melty Blood)
May (Guilty Gear)

[Ashe]

i liked Jann Lee and Bayman... in DoA2,3

[Zelphiel]

4.chun li (sf alpha 3 model sprite and sf 3 final impact model sprite)


you know me... I can't help but nitpick. but it's SF3: Third Strike. :P



btw... isn't Miyako the one that has a move with a chainsaw or something like that?

[Zelphiel]

new list... considering Tekken 5 wasn't out yet when I made the last one...

Soul Calibur 2
Tekken 5
Virtua Fighter 4: EVO
Mortal Kombat: Deception
Bushido Blade

[Zelphiel]

*points at the date this thread was started >.>


3. Jo Jo's bizzare adventure (based on the manga.)


that game is something else. lol

[nightsavior]

I confess Jo jo's bizzare adventure was the funnest game I played when I visited the arcade a couple of years ago. lol. Not the largest selection of characters but I liked the fighting system and graphic style.

[Ashe]

DoA... SC2... thats it

[Elisa Maza]

Virtua Fighter 4
Def Jam: Fight for NY
Dead or Alive 2
Project Justice
Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3 (this game actually has a lot of depth and is pretty damn fun once you get used to it)

[Ashe]

oh yeah... Def Jam... fun fun game when you play with a friend (one thats good)

[Day]

Rival Schools: United by fate
Tekken 5
Soul Calibur
Dead or Alive 2
Fight Night 2004...

...I'm not much of a 3D person.

[Hikari Tsukishiro]

No, the one with the chainsaw is Mecha-Hisui, the robot maid.

Miyako is the little girl who is a kung-fu wannabe given awesome kung-fu powers because of Walliichia's tatami effect.

Then again, most of the wierd things are caused by Wallichia's tatami in Melty Blood so whatever.

[Ryw]

Dizzy from Guilty Gear.

[Ashe]

testament was pretty fun in GGX

[Lycanthroat]

Being brought up on Tekken since the year of 1996, here are but a few.

Devil Jin!!! (Wings! Tats! Horns! Gauntlet claw thingys!)
Kunimitsu (shades of SH with the creepy carnival mask)
Cervantes (so cool. I hope he's in Soul Caliber 3. Comes out in October!)
Ling Xiaoyu (uber cute school girl with kick-arse moves)
Heihachi (the hair! THE HAIR!!!)

Maybe more later after more Soul Blade and Soul Caliber.

[Elisa Maza]

Either Momo or Yurika from Project Justice. Momo is a tiny, rosy cheeked little schoolgirl in a jumpsuit who runs around with a tennis racket.
Yurika is a prissy, prime and proper princess with long, tightly curled hair and a flowing evening gown. She fights with a violin o.O;;

[cid]

I like scorpian from MK:Deception and Kobra is pretty cool too

[Zelphiel]

Cervantes (so cool. I hope he's in Soul Caliber 3. Comes out in October!)


so far the list of confirmed characters is...

Mitsurugi, Cassandra, Taki, Voldo, Ivy, Kilik, Nightmare, Astaroth, Zasalamel, Tira, Setsuka, , and Raphael...

but Namco said that it's going to have a cast of 25 characters... and there are only 3 new characters in SC3 so it's pretty safe to assume that the dread pirate will be in it. They've had just enough characters in the series to add up to about 25. I wouldn't be suprised if there was another guest character from another Namco game in this one. Don't count on characters like Link, Spawn, and Necrid this time though. The producer of SC3 said that they weren't doing any kind of crossover with another non Namco company in this one, which is perfectly fine with me. I was sick of all the scrub players ranting about how Link was the best SC character ever. =/ It was a good thing for marketing... but it's obviously served it's purpose. The only console it's going to be released on this time is the PS2.

also... from what I've been reading it looks like Nightmare will be the boss of the game and Siegfried will be the playable version of him. In this game Nightmare is just a living suit of armor with Soul Edge. (in the pics I saw he looks a lot more like he did in SC1 when he had all of his powers).

[Lycanthroat]

Oh yeah, I remember Siegfried. German knight who got the Soul Blade and went....red. I haven't played SC2 (I know - I really should, but I know enough about it), and one thing that put me off was Link (never liked the character or the games). Geez, those names bring back memories (Taki - boobiful ninja, Mitsurigi - cool samurai).

In other words - Yea!

[Zelphiel]

Oh yeah, I remember Siegfried. German knight who got the Soul Blade and went....red.

not really... the red armor was his alternate costume.

and it's Soul Edge. Soul Blade was just the name of the console version of the arcade game Soul Edge. why the renamed it is a mystery to me.

[Max Headroom]

orochi characters from KOF look pretty cool, but they took that a step to far when they crossed the line and in SvC Chaos made an Orochi Iori look alike named Violent Ken. He actually kinda made me Violent Ken

[nightsavior]

Well there were rumors about "Dante" of all characters being in SC 3 for the longest time but maybe namco decided our favorite red trenched demon hunter was too much of an attention whore as it is having already been in Nocturne and one of the viewful joe titles. lol. As for the "bogus..erm bonus" characters I like them in their own titles (such as Link within his famaliar Hyrule mythos.) but I saw no point in adding them into soul calibur 2. If you noticed every ones endings made perfect sense accept the bonus characters and granted Spawn is cool, but I get tired of seeing him every where.

As for other great character designs...

B B hood

Dizzy

Jon talbain

Saber wulf (yup showin the werewolves some love. lol.)

Akira (both costume variants rival schools)

Huitzel

Jedeh

Eddy (zato 1)

Millia rage

Justice

[HellsSmile]

Double Dragon, Super nintendo. that game pwned

[mldyxcore]

I'm not exactly sure. Probably the original Street Fighter. Those were the days. I was too young to notice how stupid Blanka was. =/

[Blackie Chan]

street fighter 2 fer Genisis that was alright

[Qween B]

i love doa very very fun games with beatiful scenery and chracters as always

[Zelphiel]

I'm not exactly sure. Probably the original Street Fighter. Those were the days. I was too young to notice how stupid Blanka was. =/

Blanka wasn't in the original Street Fighter. =/

street fighter 2 fer Genisis that was alright

you wouldn't happen to still own that would you? SF2: Championship Edition is worth a little bit to some collectors.

[mldyxcore]

Blanka wasn't in the original Street Fighter. =/ Hm. Well, then I guess that makes my first the one he was in. Oh God, where's my Whatever smilie?

[Blackie Chan]

yeah im pretty sure i have it just dont know where it is

[Day]

if kung fu is a possiblity then is double dragon? aside from those two id say my first actual fighting game was street fighter on snes


I love Kung Fu. I beat it like 5 times without gameover.

My first fighter was either Street Fighter 2 for Genisis(Though I played it on Sega Nomad instead) or Mortal Kombat 2 for Genisis. Don't remember.

[Blackie Chan]

oh yeah i forgot i had mortal kombat fer Genisis i was a beast with Zero

[Lycanthroat]

Aside from being a super-uber-shazzy game, SC2 has Nightmare in it. Though he does not beat teh Devil Jin in the uber-hot-demon-man stakes, he comes a pretty damned close second. Also, he's a bloody rhino of a character I used throughout most of Weapon Master :D.

Though most people say SC (or Soul Blade/Edge) was basically a Tekken with characters, I have to disagree. Whereas Tekken is a slam-wham-thank-you-maam, brilliant FMV, summer blockbuster-type of Fighting game, SC seems to be a tad different. It's kinda the sleeper hit - not quite as popular, but unique enough to hold it's own. With big swords.

Also, am I missing something? Apparently, on the Profile of most of the characters, it say someone beat Nightmare before with Soul Calibur 4 years previously. Have I missed a game?

And er.....yeah...Nightmare :D

[Zelphiel]

Though most people say SC (or Soul Blade/Edge) was basically a Tekken with characters

I think you mean tekken with weapons. :P

and no... I never thought that. the gameplay is too different from tekken. In soul edge it was a little more similar... but starting with the first soul calibur it was a totally different system.

[Lycanthroat]

I said characters, not weapons??

*smacks forehead*

It's a shame the first Soul Calibur was on DC. I wanna see what Nightmare/Siegfried looked like then.

And Siegfried is back to his old, insane self in SC3! Yay!

[Zelphiel]

he was only Siegfried in Soul Edge... starting with Calibur he was Nightmare. In SC3 Nightmare (the armor) and Siegfried are two different people. Basically the sword completely took over the armor and had no use for Siegfried anymore.

here's Siegfried...

http://namco-ch.net/souledge/img/siegfried-01.jpg

and the original nightmare...

http://wallpapers.boolsite.net/srv11/Images/Wallpapers/JeuxVideos/SoulCalibur/SC_Nightmare_01.jpg

you can tell that his power lessened between SC1 and SC2. damn that Xianghua for somehow managing to beat him with Soul Calibur. lol

[Lycanthroat]

Xiang...bla beat Nightmare in SC? Well, her sword dancing is pretty cool.

Yeah, I read about the armour being taken over by Soul Edge in SC3. With the help of a ''mysterious man'', I read. Oooh.

God, that character customisation looks so good. As long as you can have teh long hair :).

[Lycanthroat]

Soul Calibur 2 (Nightmare, weapons and the ice rink)
Tekken 5 (Devil Jin, excellent FMV's and the music)
Tekken 3 (Jin, Mokujin's video and Tekken Ball)
Soul Edge (Siegfried, Weapon Master and Cervantes background)
Tekken Tag Tournament (Seeing Kunimitsu in proper 3D, Unknowns background music and Tekken Bowl)

[Day]

Lotta Nightmare talk going on around here...


I used to play the original SC, but I don't remember him looking THAT cool..
Whatever. I dunno what it is, but I kinda like the first SC better... Guess it's cause first day I played it I had a winning streak of like 16 at my friends party. That was a whiiiiillle ago though.

[Zelphiel]

Xiang...bla beat Nightmare in SC? Well, her sword dancing is pretty cool.


well... it was kind of an effort between her, Kilik, and Maxi... or something like that. I need to brush up on my SC storylines...

[Qween B]

nightmare in SC2 without the growth and stuff IS SOFA KING SEXY

[Lycanthroat]

I used to play the original SC, but I don't remember him looking THAT cool..


What? INFIDEL!!! :P

nightmare in SC2 without the growth and stuff IS SOFA KING SEXY

Nah. I like him with the growth. And bare chest. Cor frickin' blimey. I like his weirdly-shaped orange eye also. I don't know why, I just do *shrugs*.

But honestly, he's my sorta character. Kinda slow and a it tricky (I must master that damn Earth Divide, it escaped me again!), but a solid attacker with some good combo attacks that don't require you to have hands like ET. I've only had the game 3 days, but the Weapon Master was fun. Though I don't think I'll be resetting my data anytime soon.

[Zelphiel]

ok... those of you that don't go to arcades... here's a good reason.

Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection is a beefed up version of Tekken 5 with two extra characters that will be an arcade exclusive (or so they say now).

It'll be in Japanese arcades in January... probably everywhere else a few months after that.

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/fightgen/games/tekken5-dr.html
http://games.ign.com/articles/647/647283p1.html

[mldyxcore]

Well, I loved playing in the arcade last week in Edmonton, so this is another reason to go.

[Zelphiel]

yeah... plus it'll keep the arcade scene with Tekken 5 going on longer. Since Namco decided to be bastards and not release Soul Calibur 3 in the arcade it's pretty much one of the only things we have now.

[Day]

Well what can I say? I know! Beast!

Hopefully they won't charge too much... Tekken 5 here? A buck. Thats right, a whole buck... think I got that kinda money? Well you could forget it.

[Day]

http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131


New characters-
Holy Order Sol... Sol in a holy order uniform... As if theres any fangirl who hasn't drawn that one already >.>.

A. B. A, the pretty girl with the key... Yeah, we've all seen her in Isuka.

I've noticed some kickass new moves in some of these videos and thats all the more of a reason to insanely jump around the room... Oh, and HOS sounds pretty tight, as unoriginal as it is... Well, they made they made it, they could do what they want.

[Zelphiel]

excellent find CF.

here... have some dizzy fanart. :thumb

hmm... it looks like Holy Order Sol's weapon is made out of blood like Testament's.

also... I noticed a few new moves.

[Day]

Nice, nice.... Theres a site with a ton a' good stuff, you prolly know about it. http://users.wordpainter.net/trunks/guilty/

[Zelphiel]

yeah... you gave me that link a while back when I was posting the other fighting game vids.

maybe I'll post some more GG vids. I have a compilation vid with Justice, Robo Ky, and Kliff in it.

also a few SBO videos... one with an uber Robo Ky player.

[nightsavior]

MMMM. Dizzy fan art and she never looked better. Like the sexy butt shot of her too. Yes I am a perv ....but then again everyone knows that. lol. Just hope this upcoming guilty gear is not difficult to find on the shelves.

[Zelphiel]

It probably won't be. They intentionally remade reload for PS2... so it'll probably be pretty easy to find. at first anyway... they've never been big on manufacturing a huge ammount of games.

isn't the title something like Guilty Gear XX #Reload Slash?

[Day]

I think minus the #Reload... So GGXX Slash or GGXX/.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's that.

[Zelphiel]

oh... I thought you (this has been some time ago) said it was #reload slash... or something... >.>

[Day]

I actually did say that >>. Well hell, I dunno, all I know is theres a slash in it somewhere... I haven't really been following it much, since news comes slow on these types of things.

[Zelphiel]

maybe it'll simply be Guilty Gear Slash. The only definate thing I know is... I'll own it as soon as it hits the shelves.

[Day]

Oh damn straight brutha, damn straight.

I'm thinking theres an XX in there, after looking at the videos it looks pretty much the same as XX. If it was just GGS it'd prolly be a remake of the old old one for PS1 >>.

What I'm wondering is, wheres 3? And also why haven't they made Justice and Kliff into balenced characters? Meh, time will tell... I guess...

[Zelphiel]

dunno... they probably won't ever make Justice or Kilff balanced... or Robo Ky. Why they let people use Robo Ky in tournaments is beyond me... he's nearly as overpowered as Justice.

anyway... I'm hoping there will be even more secrets/secret characters in this one than what they've told us about.

btw... are Sol and Holy Order Sol going to be two seperate people on the select screen or just costume variations.

[Day]

I believe Sol and HOS will be seperate characters.

Also, are you thinking of X2 Robo-Ky or XX#R Robo-Ky. Because they are very different, and Robo Ky in X2 was a secret character so he was unbalenced, yes. In #R they made him more balenced, in fact, he's not a thing like Ky or Robo Ky(From X2), cept for the appearence.

[Zelphiel]

I'm talking about the X2 Robo Ky. I don't own an Xbox so I don't have #R.

[Day]

Oh. Yeah, a few people I know have the PS2 version of Reload so I play it every once in a while... I can't play the Xbox version... The cortrolers.... They hurt...

[Zelphiel]

in your oppinion which fighting game character is the fastest ever.

[Lycanthroat]

Hmmm. It's between Lee (Tekken) and Maxi (SC2). Oooh, I dunno. Hmmm.......Lee. Acid Storm just throws opponents :D

[Blackie Chan]

i'd say Raphiel from SC2 he is so annoying

[Omega]

Uhhh.... I have to say Fox on SSBM if that counts... if it doesn't

Then Yang.... from SF: III

[Qween B]

haah i was gonna say lee and maxi too lee is so HOT in the newest tekken. lmao

see i know thye have crazy auto combo moves but i know how to play them without that im so cool... haha

[Zelphiel]

some of those aren't bad... I was kind of suprised on a few like Lee and Raphael. They've both got a few fast moves... but really aren't all that fast compared to other characters in their games.

anyway... it's hard for me to pick one fastest person since I've played so many fighting games.

I won't name them all... but a few are...

V-Ism Fei Long in SFA 3
Magneto in Marvel vs Capcom 2
Steve Fox in Tekken 5

[Qween B]

dunno about steve i play him usually dunno if hes too fast

[Zelphiel]

he is. it's a huge part of the reason he ranks #1 on the tier list.

aside from his 300% combo anyway.

[Qween B]

o.O hm maybe heh i havent played a bit tho so maybe

[Omega]

My all time favorite is the Hadouken lol.....

[Zelphiel]

mine is Akuma's Tenma Kuujin Kyaku.

it's fast and very hard to parry and it can set up several combos. it's one of the only things that makes the 3S Akuma even worth using since they weakened him substantially in it and 2nd Impact.

[Elisa Maza]

Zangief's Ultra Final Atomic Buster. Takes off 70% of the opponent's max lifebar and can be comboed into if you get your timing right.

[Omega]

Yeah it's strong but... if your opponent jumps at the right time it's over....

[Day]

I just learned the Akuma Strike so I've been overusing that lately...

[Elisa Maza]

Yeah it's strong but... if your opponent jumps at the right time it's over....

If you combo into it they CAN'T jump at the right time. They'd be too busy reeling back from the previous hit.

[Omega]

Yeah... true....It can break a grab too...

I just learned the Akuma Strike so I've been overusing that lately...
This move

LP LP > LK HP

shun goku satsu?

[Day]

Yep... It's soo sweet, just using it on people who don't know about it ^^...

God I suck at that game...

[Elisa Maza]

The ShunGokuSatsu is a great move if you pull it off during a quick combo, but otherwise a skilled player will see it coming a mile away and either jump over it or hit you out of it

[Omega]

If Shun-Goku Satsu is used correctly after knocking someone down(Crouching HK)
It's almost a certain hit.

[Day]

Yeah, it can easily be countered with another super art, 'specialy if it's a projectile special.

The other move, whats it called when he hits the floor? That one to me is alot better, because there are more oppotunities to make it effective.

[Omega]

Or you could stop it with a Crouching LK.

[Day]

Yeah, but if you catch someone in the air that wont be a problem.

[Elisa Maza]

The other move, whats it called when he hits the floor? That one to me is alot better, because there are more oppotunities to make it effective.

That's the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan, and yes, it's a great move. It has the potential to do even more damage than the ShunGokuSatsu if it hits the enemy properly

[Zelphiel]

you can 1 hit kill Twelve with it. :P

It's also great on Gill when he does his ressurection super.

[Day]

Oh yeah godamn I hat when he does that... Well, I should try that out when I get around to it..

[Zelphiel]

If Shun-Goku Satsu is used correctly after knocking someone down(Crouching HK)
It's almost a certain hit.

um... no. even if you're grounded if you jump straight up when it's comming at you it'll miss.

like Kimiko said... the only guaranteed way to land it is to combo into it.

[Omega]

you can 1 hit kill Twelve with it. :P

It's also great on Gill when he does his ressurection super.

rotfl

My friend did that to him and Gill was toast after that. He had like a mm of life left.

It's faster than Shun-goku-satsu as well.

[Nickelback]

Ryu's super Tatsumakisenpaku in SFA3. Im deadly with that move, and can succeeded in doing a combo which will leave the opponent dizzy after a move, and then get ready for another combo.

[Omega]

Yeah, I like that move too... It's a great multi-hitter....

[Zelphiel]

yeah it is... but it's only really useful in the alpha series. his best super is the shin-shoryuken imo.

[Zelphiel]

yeah... although in most 3D games there aren't any really super fast characters. and a lot of them are so close together in speed they're only a few frames apart.

another pretty fast one is Millia Rage from the Guilty Gear series.

[Zelphiel]

same rules as the rpg one apply. let there be at least two posts between yours or it will be considered spam.

also... when you update the list when you post... don't include the game they're from. I'm just doing that in this post to prevent confusion and avoid questions.
Ryu (Street Fighter) 10
Kyo (King of Fighters) 10
Chun-Li (Street Fighter)10
Potemkin (Guilty Gear)10
Jin (Tekken) 10
Xianghua (Soul Calibur) 10
Haohmaru (Samurai Showdown/Spirits) 10
Felicia (Darkstalkers/Vampire) 10
Dudley (Street Fighter) 10
Akira (Virtua Fighter) 10

[Zelphiel]

O.o;;;

damn. I could understand if the game just came out... but it's been out for almost a year. we only charge 50 cents per play on it at work.

and we have vs mode set on 4 rounds.

[Zelphiel]

I know. Sony is the only console maker these days that knows how to make a controller that plays well with fighters.

unless you have one of those saturn style ps2 controllers that Hori makes. :P

[Day]

I don't even remember the Saturn controllers... They weren't bad though. Man I loved Virtua Fighter 2 those days.

[Day]

Wow... 4? Amazing...

Well, the most ridiculously high priced game is In The Groove 2... a DOLLAR.50! My friend lives by a Chuck E. Cheeses that charges only 25 cents, and you get an extra song...

I mean, damn.

[Megatokyo]

Hurt Xianghua and Heal Kyo

Ryu 10
Kyo 11
Chun-Li 10
Potemkin 10
Jin 10
Xianghua 9
Haohmaru 10
Felicia 10
Dudley 10
Akira 10

[Omega]

I could never get that to work right....

[Day]

It does freakin' half damage... It's just amazing. Like really... It KILLS.

[Zelphiel]

yeah... especially in 3S. you can do some wicked combos with it.

[Zelphiel]

it must be a privately owned arcade. most corporate ones set minimum and max prices... Namco does for us anyway.

[Zelphiel]

they looked like this...

http://www.axess.com/twilight/console/detail/saturn.jpg

and this (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-2a-15-Akuma%2BController-70-mi6.html) is one of the ones I was talking about that was for the ps2. The allmighty Goukitroller. :D

that one is actually for the xbox... but they made the same thing for both.

[Day]

Oh yeah, I see tons of those at the mall with the street fighter characters in the middle, right?
I have yet to use one, but I'd rather just use an arcade stick... UNless I dont wanna pay to much...

[Pinkie Pie]

Damn you, Lath, where's Iori!? T_T

Hurts Potemkin
Heals Kyo

Ryu 10
Kyo 12
Chun-Li 10
Potemkin 9
Jin 10
Xianghua 9
Haohmaru 10
Felicia 10
Dudley 10
Akira 10

[Pinkie Pie]

I think Choi from KOF is pretty high up there... He's not insanely fast or anything, but his entire strategy consists of poking at the enemy and then scampering back into the corner... at least the way most people tend to use him.

[Zelphiel]

I didn't leave him out on purpose or anything like that... >.>
<.<

heals dudley
damages akira

Ryu 10
Kyo 12
Chun-Li 10
Potemkin 9
Jin 10
Xianghua 9
Haohmaru 10
Felicia 10
Dudley 11
Akira 9

[Zelphiel]

Oh yeah, I see tons of those at the mall with the street fighter characters in the middle, right?
I have yet to use one, but I'd rather just use an arcade stick... UNless I dont wanna pay to much...

same here... but they're the next best thing to an arcade stick.

[sephiroth4eva]

heals dudley
damages akira

Ryu 10
Kyo 12
Chun-Li 10
Potemkin 9
Jin 10
Xianghua 9
Haohmaru 10
Felicia 10
Dudley 10
Akira 10

[Pinkie Pie]

I didn't leave him out on purpose or anything like that... >.>
<.<



Suuuure...

Heals Felicia
Hurts Xianghua

Ryu 10
Kyo 12
Chun-Li 10
Potemkin 9
Jin 10
Xianghua 8
Haohmaru 10
Felicia 11
Dudley 10
Akira 10

[Megatokyo]

Hurts Xianghua, Heal Kyo

Ryu 10
Kyo 13
Chun-Li 10
Potemkin 9
Jin 10
Xianghua 7
Haohmaru 10
Felicia 11
Dudley 10
Akira 10

[Day]

I don't really play much at home anymore anyway XD. Unless it's GGX2, I could go to the arcade to play half of the gams that I own...

[Day]

Chipp Zanuff... Yeah, I can't think outside the box... and if in counts, Gold Millia Rage.

Also Guy from Final Fight/SFA3.

[Zelphiel]

heals dudley
damages akira

you did the opposite of that to the list. :P

I fixed it.

Heals Dudley
Damages Akira


Ryu 10
Kyo 13
Chun-Li 10
Potemkin 9
Jin 10
Xianghua 7
Haohmaru 10
Felicia 11
Dudley 13
Akira 7

[Zelphiel]

hmm... maybe v-ism Guy. His moving speed is really fast... but his striking speed is pretty average.

[Zelphiel]

so... has the moveset for holy order sol been released yet?

[Zelphiel]

Kinda slow

you should try to master the poking game with Nightmare. It's one of the only ways you can effectively use him against experienced players.

also... never do the earth divide. it's a slow unblockable that other players can see from a mile away. it's too easy for other players to avoid. all they have to do is step around you and you're totally open.

some good moves to get started on that are (these moves are some of his fastest... and a few of the faster ones in the game. most people think Nightmare is a slow character until they see these moves in action :P)

btw... don't hold the button on any of these. with some of them when you do it puts him into one of the knight stances. it's not a bad thing but it takes speed away from the moves.

> A
sidestep A
A g A (it's a buffer cancel so you have to do it quickly)
v A
df A
db B
df B (hold), B
> K
> > A+K (or < < A+K or sidestep A+K)
db k
sidestep K


that's pretty much all you'll ever need to know with Nightmare. most of his other moves aren't very effective against people that know the game well. just take my word on it. I've been using Nightmare for a really long time. I know him better than nearly everyone I know. My conquest character with him in the arcade has almost 5000 wins. :P

[Zelphiel]

yeah... hopefully they'll keep getting more and more elaborate with it's system in the new games.

[Zelphiel]

I wish I had the Genesis MK back when it came out. All I had was the SNES version... so I had to put up with all the family friendly gray blood and altered fatalities. :(

[Zelphiel]

lol... someone loves Namco. :P

you should try Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution. It ranks up there with Tekken.

[Zelphiel]

yeah... I wish more unique games like that would surface from time to time.

[Zelphiel]

Jon talbain

Saber wulf (yup showin the werewolves some love. lol.)



lol, yeah.

Saberwulf was one of my favs in Killer Instinct. I don't care what anyone says about that game. I still think it was fun.

[Zelphiel]

umm im horible at most fighters other than SC2 which im decent at <.<

you should try the bloody roar games then... they're extremely easy to play.

[Zelphiel]

another one that I didn't mention before is Kliff in GGXX. He has a few moves that do nearly 50% damage.

[shattered_system]

yoshimistu is pretty fast if you take his style and moves and stuff.

[night sk8r]

wow i sucked realy bad when i first started but now im pretty good id say

[Blackie Chan]

Uhhh.... I have to say Fox on SSBM if that counts... if it doesn't

Then Yang.... from SF: III
yeah fox is way to fast i use falco cause personally i think hes better but yeah i agree

[Blackie Chan]

mistarugi and nightmare from SC2 and fox from SSBM

[Blackie Chan]

ima a beast at SC2, SSBM, Godzilla destroy all monsters (i hated that one im good though) and the DOA series even though the series sucked really badly

[Gravity]

Oh yeah, I rule in SSBM, sucks on the rest of the games. :D

[Omega]

Master/ Final Bison for SF: Alpha 3 upper.

[Night]

Talim from soul calibur 2 (the juggler suit rocks) and Testament from GG

[Zelphiel]

which move in a fighting game is the hardest to perform.

I'll have to think about this one... but I'm sure it'll end up being something from KoF or Garou. lol

[William]

The hardest move for me to do is that one huge ass combo that King from Tekken does. Yeah, the one that nearly destroys ALL of your life. I just can't do it.

[Zelphiel]

you've got to be talking about the mexican magma drive.

it isn't a combo though... it's a chain throw. and it's damage varies. if you do the longest version it does 90% dmg.

it's kind of easy to escape... since you have about 4 chances to get out of it. :P

[William]

I'm not really sure what it is. I know that you do a bunch of regular moves back-to-back, like the powerbomb though.

[Zelphiel]

which one do you think is the most important to the genre. the one that changed things the most.

I'd say it's Street Fighter 2. It pretty much revolutionized the genre from simple beat-em-ups to what would evolve into some of the most complex gameplay in the world of videogames.

[William]

I'd say Street Fighter 2 as well. For the same reason you chose it. There's tons of different versions of the game, and nearly EVERYONE young and old (that I know of), knows what the game is. Not many fighting games can claim something like that.

[Night]

you guys all stole mine...
the least proggressive fighter, i think, has to be DoA ultimate 1 i think... the one where all u have to do is counter. even worse than a buttonmasher

[Sonic]

Mortal Kombat. Enough said.

[Zelphiel]

I guess you could seperate it between 2 and 3D fighters.

in the 3D world it's really hard to say which one was more influential between Virtua Fighter and Tekken. They both greatly influenced the genre and were both done very well. It wasn't a copy paste type thing like it was in the early days of the 2D fighter. (no offense to SNK. it's the barrage of other companies that copied... although Fatal Fury didn't get really good until Garou. :P)

[Kaffee]

Street Fighter 2, finally stole back my copy from my brother.

[Zelphiel]

cool. if you wanted to play it you could have borrowed mine.

[Elisa Maza]

Street Fighter 2 and Virtua Fighter. Both games pretty much defined the 2D and 3D fighting game genre, were the first "good" games of their type, and opened the doors to the mass of fighting game franchises we now have

[Zelphiel]

so... who has it?

it's a playable demo that comes in the newest official playstation magazine. in story mode Kilik is playable and in vs mode Mitsurugi and Tira are playable. You can also make a custom character and choose between male/female and dancer/ninja for the gender and style. so far it's a lot of fun making characters. I can only imagine how much time I'll spend on it when I've got a blank character with all 600+ options to choose from. The gameplay is a little faster than SC2 and the parry system is back to how it was in SC1. It's a little different now that there are 3 different types of parry but they're performed the same as they were in that game.

[Wallie Wildo]

sounds awsome *goes out and buys teh magazine*

[Zelphiel]

out of all the KoF games which character is the best?

I don't know about tier lists or anything but I've always liked K.

[Qween B]

mai...or terry

[Zelphiel]

Which Tekken character is the best of all?

going only on usefulness in matches... not appearance or anything.

I think it's either Steve Fox or Feng Wei.

Steve is top tier in Tekken 4 and 5 for a reason. Feng can parry/counter every non unblockable move in Tekken 5. Nuff said.

[Qween B]

Lee. and Anna

[Night]

Forest Law...
Rainbow Kick, need i say more?